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'''Q: What does 'ascension' mean?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What does 'ascension' mean?'''<br />
'''A:''' Ascension means "the act of rising, or gaining altitude". Upon defeating the Naughty Sorceress, your character will have the opportunity to 'ascend' to the afterlife, and from there, descend (start over) as a level 1 player.
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'''A:''' Ascension, in the Kingdom of Loathing, means ascending to a higher plane of being, beyond the ken of mortal man, then realizing that higher planes of being are really dull, and returning to the physical world. Upon defeating the Naughty Sorceress, your character will have the opportunity to 'ascend' to the afterlife, and from there, start over as a level 1 player.
  
 
'''Q: Start over?! Why would anyone want to do that?'''<br />
 
'''Q: Start over?! Why would anyone want to do that?'''<br />
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'''A:''' These are ways to make ascension more challenging and interesting. A 'hardcore' ascension means you will have no access to any items from "outside" that incarnation. No clan stash, no mall, no flea market, no items sent in messages from other players, no buffs from other players. It's a unique experience for most players and should be a lot of fun.
 
'''A:''' These are ways to make ascension more challenging and interesting. A 'hardcore' ascension means you will have no access to any items from "outside" that incarnation. No clan stash, no mall, no flea market, no items sent in messages from other players, no buffs from other players. It's a unique experience for most players and should be a lot of fun.
  
The 'paths' are other ways to make the ascension more challenging. The Oxygenarian, Teetotaler and Boozetafarian paths restrict your diet. In addition, there are several Special Challenge Paths, which have their own rules. You can choose one of these paths, or none of them. Paths are chosen ''alongside'' any other
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The 'paths' are other ways to make the ascension more challenging. The Oxygenarian, Teetotaler and Boozetafarian paths restrict your diet. In addition, there are several Special Challenge Paths, which have their own rules. You can choose one of these paths, or none of them. Paths are chosen ''alongside'' any other Ascension choices; that is, they exclude only one another. Paths will often yield some extra reward.
Ascension choices; that is, they exclude only one another. Paths will often yield some reward.
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And, you'll know deep in your heart that you're cooler than those who didn't take the challenge.
 
And, you'll know deep in your heart that you're cooler than those who didn't take the challenge.
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'''Q: So I can get at all my stuff right after I ascend?'''<br />
 
'''Q: So I can get at all my stuff right after I ascend?'''<br />
'''A:''' Not exactly. If you choose the "normal" difficulty, you'll be a "ronin," a wandering, lone adventurer, for one thousand turns. You'll be able to take 20,000 meat or 20 items (or a combination of the two) out of storage per KoL day. If you choose the hardest difficulty, only very few items can be retrieved.
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'''A:''' Not exactly. If you choose the "normal" difficulty, you'll be a "ronin," a wandering, lone adventurer, for one thousand turns. You'll be able to take 20,000 meat or 20 items (or a combination of the two) out of storage per KoL day.
  
 
'''Q: What's a ronin? I'm gonna be Japanese for 1,000 turns?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What's a ronin? I'm gonna be Japanese for 1,000 turns?'''<br />
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'''Q: Why would you make it so I can't trade with people?'''<br />
 
'''Q: Why would you make it so I can't trade with people?'''<br />
 
'''A:''' Because we hate you and want you to fail. No. Actually, we love you and want you to have as much fun with a challenging game as possible. Therefore, we made it so you can't take the easy way out and get everything you need from a friend or multi.
 
'''A:''' Because we hate you and want you to fail. No. Actually, we love you and want you to have as much fun with a challenging game as possible. Therefore, we made it so you can't take the easy way out and get everything you need from a friend or multi.
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'''Q: What happens to my stuff if I'm in Hardcore?'''<br />
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'''A:''' If you are in Hardcore, only a small set of items (those marked as a "Free pull from Hangk's") can be retrieved.  Once you defeat the Naughty Sorceress (again), you'll be able to get it all back.
  
 
'''Q: What about my Mall store?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What about my Mall store?'''<br />
'''A:''' You'll get to keep your Mall store. During ronin or hardcore (see below) you can still add items to your store and manage the prices, but you can't take items out of it until you get to a point where you'd be able to receive them from other players.
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'''A:''' You'll get to keep your Mall store. During ronin or hardcore you can still add items to your store and manage the prices, but you can't take items out of it until you get to a point where you'd be able to receive them from other players.
  
 
Any Meat you would normally receive from Mall transactions while you're in ronin or hardcore will go directly into Hagnk's.
 
Any Meat you would normally receive from Mall transactions while you're in ronin or hardcore will go directly into Hagnk's.
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'''Q: What do I have to do to get ready to ascend?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What do I have to do to get ready to ascend?'''<br />
'''A:''' Many things will be reset when you ascend, so if there's something specific you were working towards in this life, get them done!  This includes buying any skills you want to make permanent, buying trophies for which you will no longer be eligible after ascension, and making use of any Quest Items you have remaining since they will be lost when you ascend.  If you have a Garden, make sure you harvest it, and if you have more than one, plant the one you want to have in your new life.
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'''A:''' Many things will be reset when you ascend, so if there's something specific you were working towards in this life, get it done!  This includes buying any skills you want to make permanent, buying trophies for which you will no longer be eligible after ascension, and making use of any Quest Items you have remaining since they will be lost when you ascend.  If you have a Garden, make sure you harvest it, and if you have more than one, plant the one you want to have in your new life.
  
 
Once that is complete, make sure you have no open trade offers and no items in the flea market, and take the plunge!
 
Once that is complete, make sure you have no open trade offers and no items in the flea market, and take the plunge!
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'''Q: How does the skill retention work?'''<br />
 
'''Q: How does the skill retention work?'''<br />
'''A:'''Once in the afterlife, you may "perm" a skill you knew when you ascended (assuming said skill is permable) at the expense of karma, thus granting you access to it in all future ascensions (with some exceptions). At the even larger expense of even more karma, you may "HC perm" it, so that you may also use it in HC ascensions.
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'''A:''' Once in the afterlife, you may "perm" a skill you knew when you ascended (assuming said skill is permable) at the expense of karma, thus granting you access to it in all future ascensions (except Hardcore ascensions, or under Paths which restrict skill availability). By spending even more karma, you may "HC perm" it, so that you may also use it in Hardcore ascensions.
  
 
'''Q: What if I start an ascension and don't like it?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What if I start an ascension and don't like it?'''<br />
'''A:''' You can shed any restrictions you have placed yourself under from your account menu. You willn't be punished for doing so, but you willn't get the rewards, either. Some paths also have a waiting period before you can drop them.
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'''A:''' You can shed any restrictions you have placed yourself under from your account menu. You won't be punished for doing so, but you won't get the rewards, either. Some paths also have a waiting period before you can drop them.
  
 
'''Q: What happens with Mr. As during hardcore ascension?'''<br />
 
'''Q: What happens with Mr. As during hardcore ascension?'''<br />

Revision as of 13:47, 8 August 2014

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Q: What does 'ascension' mean?
A: Ascension, in the Kingdom of Loathing, means ascending to a higher plane of being, beyond the ken of mortal man, then realizing that higher planes of being are really dull, and returning to the physical world. Upon defeating the Naughty Sorceress, your character will have the opportunity to 'ascend' to the afterlife, and from there, start over as a level 1 player.

Q: Start over?! Why would anyone want to do that?
A: You'll get to play through the game again with new challenges and more variety to gameplay. You'll see oodles of new ascension-only content. You also get the option to change your character class -- each class has its own challenges and special rewards.

Q: This sounds hard.
A: It doesn't have to be! Once you've moved on to the afterlife, you'll be able to choose the type of ascension you want to play. You can ascend casually, and maintain free access to all of your stuff. You can choose to ascend "normally", and have limited access to your items, or you can opt to go for a more challenging ascension (see below), with no access to (almost) any of your items. The higher the difficulty, the greater the prize.

Q: What's this I've heard about 'hardcore' ascension and different 'paths' of ascension?
A: These are ways to make ascension more challenging and interesting. A 'hardcore' ascension means you will have no access to any items from "outside" that incarnation. No clan stash, no mall, no flea market, no items sent in messages from other players, no buffs from other players. It's a unique experience for most players and should be a lot of fun.

The 'paths' are other ways to make the ascension more challenging. The Oxygenarian, Teetotaler and Boozetafarian paths restrict your diet. In addition, there are several Special Challenge Paths, which have their own rules. You can choose one of these paths, or none of them. Paths are chosen alongside any other Ascension choices; that is, they exclude only one another. Paths will often yield some extra reward.

And, you'll know deep in your heart that you're cooler than those who didn't take the challenge.

Q: Do I have to ascend?
A: No, but if you don't, you're gonna miss out on some really, really cool stuff.

Q: What will happen to my familiars?
A: All of your familiars in your terrarium will stay there, but will revert to 1 lb.

Q: What happens to my campground?
A: After you ascend, your Closet, Terrarium, Trophy Case, Kitchen, Certificate of Participation, and Quest Log will remain. The contents of your Closet will be put into storage (see below). The contents of your Terrarium will revert to 1 lb (see above). The contents of your Kitchen will be removed, except for your E-Z Cook™ oven and My First Shaker™ (see right here). Also, if you have a Telescope, Mystical Bookshelf, Workshop, or Garden, they will remain. Your housing will reset to The Ground. Everything else will be removed.

Q: If I don't go casual, what will happen to my stuff?
A: All of the non-quest items in your inventory (and closet) will be automatically stored for you at Hagnk's Ancestral Mini-Storage, on the Right Side of the Tracks. Quest items (those items whose descriptions have the "Quest Item" designation) will be destroyed, so you can regather them and complete the quests again.

Q: So I can get at all my stuff right after I ascend?
A: Not exactly. If you choose the "normal" difficulty, you'll be a "ronin," a wandering, lone adventurer, for one thousand turns. You'll be able to take 20,000 meat or 20 items (or a combination of the two) out of storage per KoL day.

Q: What's a ronin? I'm gonna be Japanese for 1,000 turns?
A: "Ronin" just means that you're a loner, a badass who doesn't need help from anybody. You willn't be able to receive items or buffs from other players, buy stuff from the Mall or flea market, take anything from your clan stash, or receive any clan benefits (extra calendar turns, meat-tree meat, training or buffs) during that time. You can still visit your clan gym, and you can still send items and buffs to other players, though.

Q: Why would you make it so I can't trade with people?
A: Because we hate you and want you to fail. No. Actually, we love you and want you to have as much fun with a challenging game as possible. Therefore, we made it so you can't take the easy way out and get everything you need from a friend or multi.

Q: What happens to my stuff if I'm in Hardcore?
A: If you are in Hardcore, only a small set of items (those marked as a "Free pull from Hangk's") can be retrieved. Once you defeat the Naughty Sorceress (again), you'll be able to get it all back.

Q: What about my Mall store?
A: You'll get to keep your Mall store. During ronin or hardcore you can still add items to your store and manage the prices, but you can't take items out of it until you get to a point where you'd be able to receive them from other players.

Any Meat you would normally receive from Mall transactions while you're in ronin or hardcore will go directly into Hagnk's.

Q: And my collection in the Cannon Museum?
A: Same deal. The stuff in your collection will stay there. You'll be able to put stuff into it, but not take stuff out until you're out of ronin or hardcore.

Q: How is PvP affected by ascension?
A: PvP is available as an option during ronin and hardcore. In both cases, you may only attack for (or be attacked for) Fame or Flowers. Additionally, hardcore players may only attack or be attacked by other Hardcore players.

When you ascend, your hippy stone is magically glued back together and your ranking and win/loss records are reset.

Q: What do I have to do to get ready to ascend?
A: Many things will be reset when you ascend, so if there's something specific you were working towards in this life, get it done! This includes buying any skills you want to make permanent, buying trophies for which you will no longer be eligible after ascension, and making use of any Quest Items you have remaining since they will be lost when you ascend. If you have a Garden, make sure you harvest it, and if you have more than one, plant the one you want to have in your new life.

Once that is complete, make sure you have no open trade offers and no items in the flea market, and take the plunge!

Q: What is karma?
A: Karma is the currency of the afterlife, so to speak. Each time you ascend, you'll gain 11 karma, and a certain amount of karma based on how challenging your previous ascension was - for example, a normal ascension gives 100 extra karma. By a totally random and unintentional coincidence, it costs 100 karma to make a skill permanent for Normal ascensions, 10 karma to buy a piece of equipment, and 1 single, measly little unit of karma to buy a consumable.

Q: How does the skill retention work?
A: Once in the afterlife, you may "perm" a skill you knew when you ascended (assuming said skill is permable) at the expense of karma, thus granting you access to it in all future ascensions (except Hardcore ascensions, or under Paths which restrict skill availability). By spending even more karma, you may "HC perm" it, so that you may also use it in Hardcore ascensions.

Q: What if I start an ascension and don't like it?
A: You can shed any restrictions you have placed yourself under from your account menu. You won't be punished for doing so, but you won't get the rewards, either. Some paths also have a waiting period before you can drop them.

Q: What happens with Mr. As during hardcore ascension?
A: During a hardcore run, you can donate and receive new Mr. As. You can also use Mr. As in Hagnk's to use to purchase things from Mr. Store. However, you cannot equip Mr. As, or any other Mr. Store equipment, during a hardcore run.

Q: What about the Mr. Eh, eh?
A: Take off, ya hoser. No, sorry, those can't be worn during hardcore runs either.

Q: Well, then, what CAN I use from Mr. Store?
A: Unless forbidden by your current path, you can use any familiars purchased from Mr. Store, any skills on your Mystical Bookshelf, and any Garden or Workshop item you have. (Note that your Garden will be reset to 1 day worth of growth after you ascend.) You will continue to receive correspondence that comes from Mr. Store items, and you will have access to locations that are unlocked by Mr. Store items. Also, certain special Challenge Paths have associated items which you will have access to during that ascension, even in Hardcore.

Q: Can I still win radio contests or get birthday presents, etc., during a hardcore ascension?
A: While you're in hardcore (or ronin), people will be able to send you items using the Gift Shop in Market Square. The presents will go into your inventory, but you willn't be able to open them until you're out of hardcore (or ronin).

Q: What's up with the zodiac signs?
A: These are moon signs that will subtly alter your destiny in the game. They all have minor effects on gameplay that will be useful for each character class -- mysticality, moxie, and muscle. Each set of three signs comes with its own unique content as well. So go ahead and try all 9.

Q: So what do they all do?
A: When you select your Moon Sign for your next ascension, it'll tell you exactly what it does.

Q: How does the Hall of Records calculate days played in an incarnation?
A: The Hall of Records counts the number of rollovers that you have played through, and adds one to determine the number of "days" played for the Ascension Leaderboards. This count started when your character was created (for your first ascension), or when you step through the astral gash (for all subsequent ascensions).

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Q: Help! There's too many skills to choose from to make permanent! Option paralysis taking hold!
A: Relax, I'll help you. Generally, if you're starting out, you want to think about what you struggled with the most in your last run, and choose a skill that will aid you the most with that. Some of the basic "themes" of skills are turn generation, turn saving, combat, healing, defense, and utility. For example, if you want to generate more turns, try perming...

  • Pulverize (Seal Clubber): Demolish equipment into magic essences you can chew up and gain turns without filling your stomach or liver.
  • The Long View (Turtle Tamer): Gain more adventures while your character sleeps over rollover.
  • Pastamastery (Pastamancer): Summon dry noodles to craft into delicious pasta with simple recipes.
  • Saucemaven (Sauceror): Gain extra turns when you eat anything saucy. They'll taste even more delicious when you're a Pastamancer or Sauceror.
  • Advanced Cocktailcrafting (Disco Bandit): Summon fancy garnishes to make fruity, girly drinks that give more turns because they're so fruity and girly.
  • Ode to Booze (Accordion Thief): Improves the taste of alcohol while it's stuck in your head. The perfect song to barhop to!

Q: I can't decide what skill to pick to make permanent. Can you give me a hint?
A: That very much depends on your play style. Maybe you should ask some of the friends you've made in KoL for advice. What's that you say? You don't 'have' friends? Well, than go into chat and make some, noob.

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Q: How is 'ascension' spelled?
A: Just like that.

Accessing this FAQ

  • Usually, players can access this FAQ only between unlocking the portal and ascending. After breaking the prism for the first time, the link should be permanently added to the documentation as well.

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