Talk:Mutant gila monster

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Drop Chances

Items droped?

I just got an invisible bag from it

invisible bag

It takes you a while to figure out what this is, because you can't actually see it. It appears -- or rather, doesn't appear -- to be some sort of invisible cloth bag. Eventually, you turn it inside out, and find a little tag that says "Acme Headless Horseman Costume -- Dry Clean Only".

Type: hat Power: 10 Selling Price: 5 Meat. --EnderW 04:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Either it doesn't scale or it's capped because I killed one with 702 damage while I have 2480/2522 HP. I got 423 meat and and a beholed bedsheet with +81% meat drops and +234.11+fireworks item drops. I also got 63, 31, 39 substats on a moxie day. --Kitsunegami 22:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'm a level 40 Turtle Tamer if it matters. --Kitsunegami 04:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have since learned how scaling actually works and feel a bit stupid for posting the above. I do, however, have some old meat and item drop data to provide from my spreadsheet where I tracked my four encounters with them:

With +81% meat drops, I received 488, 463, 452, and 479 meat.

With +234% item drop I received nothing (with the fireworks triggering for +item drops), nothing, invisible bag, and beholed bedsheet. --Kitsunegami 08:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

After posting that, I noticed that the meat drop info I thought was missing is in the summary box so my data probably doesn't help but maybe someone can figure out the item drop chance. I don't have enough data points to do it myself. --Kitsunegami 08:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Disambig page?

Why do we need this, the familiar and monster are not names the same because they are capitalized differently) mutant gila monster and Mutant Gila Monster are not the same page on the wiki. We can always do similar naming note like For the familiar. see Mutant Gila Monster and For the Halloween monster. see mutant gila monster It's not like we are not sure what page someone wants to view becuse they are not pages named exactly the same! --JRSiebz (|§|) 04:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Fixed it, Pages have the "similarly named page note". Disambig pages only needed for when we need two or more pages of exactly the same name (capitalization included) (sometimes due to wiki constraints pages with only a leading capital letter difference end up being the same wiki page since it acts like all pages have their leading letter capitalized, and so need to be moved and disambig'd) and for generic terms which could mean a multitude of pages. --JRSiebz (|§|) 04:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • You mean the exact opposite of how we handle how a barrrnacle becomes a Barrrnacle, yet sometimes a barrrnacle isn't a barrrnacle? And more like how a mutant cactus bud becomes a Mutant Cactus Bud, and astral badgers become Astral Badgers? Or maybe like how sometimes the darkness isn't really darkness? I'm not really sure what my point is, other than that every possible combination of things has been done elsewhere. --Flargen 04:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Barrrnacle had to be disambig'd because of wiki technical restrictions, as barrrnacle and Barrrnacle are same page, becuase it just caps first letter of pages, but Mutant Gila Monster and mutant gila monster are different wiki pages. We need to think that other things (kolmafia, greasemonkey scripts, etc.) link to the wiki, so we should try to name pages as they are in the kingdom whenever technically possible. --JRSiebz (|§|) 04:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Since when was the wiki dictated by the whims of mafia and greasemonkey? --Flargen 04:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
        • I just meant that being incorporated into other KoL projects is always a good thing, not only that but other things at coldfront link here, and if the wiki names pages inconsistently it makes that more difficult. Naming/capitalizing like in-kingdom, makes it easier on everyone. --JRSiebz (|§|) 04:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Same thing with black cat, if you're feeling ornery and want to fix that. I think the issue is that most users aren't as familiar as regular editors with case behaviour in the search box and/or Jick's habit of repurposing names. Some sort of "alternate use" template like Wikipedia uses would be nifty, though--those who know for what they're searching can case-search, whereas those who aren't sure are on average half a click off, which is an improvement over being linked to a disambiguation page. Truth be told, the way we handle disambiguation has been sticking in my craw for a while now, and it'd be nice to do it more cleanly. --BagatelleT/C 04:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I've been currently doing:
    1. If two (or more) pages would be named/capitalized exactly the same, disambig - Like there are 2 7-Foot_Dwarf adventures which had to be differentiated, or Astral Shell and skill and an effect.
    2. If two (or more) pages would be named the same and capitalized exactly the same except for the first letter, due to wiki technical restrictions, disambig - Like Barrrnacle / barrrnacle.
    3. If two (or more) pages would be named the same, but capitalized differently (besides just the first letter), name as in-game, and apply the indented For the monster/item/familiar/etc., see [[link to their page(s)]]. message at the top of the pages - Like Mutant Gila Monster, a familiar and mutant gila monster, a monster. An exception would (could?) be familiars and their hatchlings who fit in this category, for they already link back/to each other via "Becomes a BLAH." and "Hatchling: BLAH". Like astral badger/Astral Badger.
    4. If it's a page for a general term which is used which could refer to two (or more) other (not necessarily related at all) pages, disambig - Like Tower, Wormwood, SR or Talisman.

Is that consistent and/or did I miss any cases? Thoughts? --JRSiebz (|§|) 05:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Hee, I like how policy discussions always end up on out-of-the-way talk pages no one will ever visit. Anyhoo, what you outlined above is more or less what I've observed, but I don't think I like the "always make a disambiguation page" rule when things are capitalised exactly the same. (This rule is not actually being applied in the case of the Hobopolis AT buffs--what a mess those are.) My personal feeling is that in such cases, we should pick one of the duplicates that the user is most likely to want to see, and use that as the page with the exact name. So in the case of skill/effect duplication, presumably the user would be most interested in the effect, so we'd link to that as the default, with a hatnote linking to the skill, and use <pagename> (skill) for the skill page. In cases of 3+ duplicates, we can make <pagename> (disambiguation). --BagatelleT/C 05:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)