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I think you meant...

{{battle}} :-o --BagatelleT/C 23:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Indeed. --Quietust (t|c) 00:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this true?

I was going to suggest locking or semiprotecting the greasemonkey page, even if some of the scripts don't work, so it's a little safer, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mar (talkcontribs) on 2008-11-28 14:06:24

  • Yes - currently, the wiki is not configured to work correctly with its squid proxy, so it thinks every user's IP address is that of the proxy. I've brought this up on Coldfront's KoL mailing list, but apparently it has yet to be resolved. Also, please sign your comments by appending them with "--~~~~". Additionally, when commenting on this talk page, please follow the instructions at the top. --Quietust (t|c) 22:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Auto-cat'ing zap templates

So, I've been trying to figure out how to get the generating template for the zap group templates to automatically categorize (with a specified sort value) the derivative templates. I started trying to do this because the zap group template category is an unsorted, confusing mass, and I wanted to clean that up and get them sorted in a useful fashion. I came up with a solution, as that link indicates. It's a little inelegant, though. It seems to require substitution of the generating template into the derived ones, for one thing. This would effectively duplicate the code for the box across every zap group. It'll let the auto-cat'ing be done as I was hoping for, but is this an acceptable solution? It's only slightly less effort than just categorizing all of the zap groups by hand with the current generating template. Can you think of any better ways? --Flargen 08:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


I am aware of less than a dozen items that can be discarded. Yet, I'm aware of no wiki page that documents what they are or what the behavior of the discard link is (except pretty flower and banana peel). Doesn't documenting the behavior in those dozen or so pages make sense? --Kpsmith67 17:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

A little Help

  • could you pm me in-game, please? i have something i'd like to discuss which i'd rather not put in the wiki. thanks. --Evilkolbot 21:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit ability

I seem to have lost the power to edit my own userpage, including the talk page and sub-pages. I don't think it was made protected or anything, but I get a "501 Method Not Implemented - POST to /thekolwiki/index.php not supported." error when I try to change it. It hasn't changed non-user pages for me, just my own user page. --Sparksol (t|c) 23:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

  • It shouldn't be anything to do with you; it sounds like the "application firewall" being used by Coldfront to block what it believes to be SQL injection attacks and such. What exactly are you attempting to add to your user page? --Quietust (t|c) 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I tried changing/updating my skills chart, along with putting together a new chart on a side page. I'm now wondering if I missed some change in how the tables work. --Sparksol (t|c) 00:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Mod security (what Quietust mentioned) has caused a number of problems like this before. You can try searching the wiki for mentions of "501" and "mod security" for some of the known cases. There's also the brute force approach to finding the offending character string: cut out progressively larger chunks from what you were editing/adding until the error vanishes, the adding some back in until it comes back, etc. Things near >, <, and | are likely to be part of something the firewall isn't happy with. --Flargen 00:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


The new haiku=1 parameter is causing there to be a linebreak between the item name and the description, which shouldn't be there. And thanks for doing that.  :P --Flargen 05:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm working on it. Fixed. --Quietust (t|c) 05:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm not entirely sure how a certain someone is still running around. Seriously now. Do you know? Is it his people skills? --Flargen 23:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I am aware of the situation, but be aware that I'm not always available and that I'm also not the only admin around here. Rest assured that something will be done about it. --Quietust (t|c) 01:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    • You were the admin that most recently showed activity in the recent changes log at the time, however. As I have not tried to determine the times of activity of the admins, I figured from this that you were the admin with the highest probability of a timely response (should one actually be appropriate). And other than maybe posting on the Discussion page, which I didn't think was a terribly appropriate place to put the matter, I'm not aware of any sort of "generic admin talk page" where you can post various concerns/questions in the hope that some admin sees it. And I try to avoid getting into revert wars these days, even with this guy, even when I'd be/feel totally justified. --Flargen 02:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Fair enough. :) --Quietust (t|c) 02:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
        • Aw, I love you, too. Anyway, I assumed you had standards on not posting completely wrong information, and when I try to remove it, you or someone else puts it back. When I post correct information, it gets deleted. I can tell the difference, but most of your regulars can't and it's very frustrating. I know that's how wikis are but I don't think I can promise to ignore it.
        • I will promise to be nice when Techsmurf promises to be competent. Mar 02:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
          • You're free to be a constructive editor all you want, but being disrespectful and rude toward the admins is not something we're going to tolerate from you any longer. Consider this your final warning. --Quietust (t|c) 21:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Ascension Table

Do you mind if I steal the layout for your ascension table on your User page? All credit would be given to you, of course. --IDannPK 14:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

  • By all means, go right ahead. --Quietust (t|c) 16:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much. :D --IDannPK 02:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Maximizing... Edits

  • people keep adding stuff to the various maximizing pages. perhaps they should be protected, and a template added along the lines of "These pages are locked because they are about to undergo a major revision; if you want to take part in this process, please add to the discussion at Talk:Dressing For Success." is the timescale for this too short to be worth the effort? --Evilkolbot 00:25, 29 August 2008 (CDT)
    • Discussion has recently died down on it, and I've recently started trying to see if we can get at least a few reasonable people to come to a consensus. Not many responses to that right now, though. Otherwise, locking them sounds good. Something to keep in mind for similar situations in the future at the least. --Flargen 00:35, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

Skill Progression

Random note - I think your skill progression table is missing Transcendent Olfaction. --DVuser.giffile_icon.gifmail_icon.giflink_icon.gif 01:59, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

  • Now it does. --Quietust (t|c) 08:20, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

Randomizing Data Pages

Since I'm told you're the template guru 'round these parts, figured I bring this idea up to you directly. That idea being: would it be possible to randomize some of the data entries in monster data pages? The images, in particular. Especially for the hobos, chums, and even the Shadow Class. It'd be nice to have a set way of dealing with monsters with variable images, other than the current practice of using the question mark. It doesn't look like we can just use RandomlySelect in the image datafield. I didn't manage to find a solution hidden in the wiki somewhere; closest I found was stuff on Template Talk:Ouch, but it seems like the issue that was worked around there can't really be avoided with the data pages right now. --Flargen 17:03, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

  • I can't think of anything right now, but if I come up with something I'll post it. --Quietust (t|c) 19:46, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
  • Generally random on the wiki doesn't work because of the cache mechanisms. You could theoretically disable that, but that would put a huge strain on the servers and isn't worth the small effect. Maybe put a note below the image to look below?--SomeStranger (t|c) 19:56, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
    • Well, the current de facto standard is to use the image for the Possibility Giant and then list in a notes section of the monster page the various possible images. The concern is whether using the giant question mark is really all that desirable. It looks a, and no explanation exists on the location pages. And how does the {{part}} randomization work and affect server strain? I see it's really just using a custom tag, but I've no idea what the code for that tag is and if it is at all adaptable for images; especially images pulled from data pages. --Flargen 20:10, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
    • Perhaps instead of using the big question mark, we could create a special image specifically for this purpose (e.g. something akin to noart.gif) - a 100x100 GIF image with some sort of "Random image - see below" text in it, and possibly an appropriate illustration (bonus points if it looks like something Jick might've drawn). --Quietust (t|c) 22:37, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
      • Speaking of GIFs you could do an animated GIF with all of the images. --SomeStranger (t|c) 10:57, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
        • I was thinking this would be a better idea than a single image effectively saying "this monster has a randomized image". Albeit it requires more work, and still sounds like an interim fix to me. --Flargen 15:38, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
      • In regards to {{part}}, that template is not truly random. It generates a random name when you load the page and and then stores that to the cache. It does not pick a new part until you re-cache the page.--SomeStranger (t|c) 10:59, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
        • From what I've noticed, I take it you mean my browser cache, and not some sort of server cache. Can we do that sort of thing with the images pulled from monster metadata, then? Or were you saying earlier that you don't think that could be done? --Flargen 15:38, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

Pitchfork/pitchspoon reference

I gather you've never read Dilbert - there's a semi-regular minor character in that comic strip called "Phil, the Prince of Insufficient Light", whose symbol of office (for lack of a better term) is an enormous spoon, and which he refers to as a "pitchspoon" in several strips.,_the_Prince_of_Insufficient_Light

--PFC Walker 10:32, 17 July 2008 (CDT)

(P.S. - I seriously doubt that the "pitchspoon" message has anything to do with spooning - it just doesn't make sense.)

  • I'm not quite sure why I removed that reference back last year, but I suspect there was a good reason. As for the "spooning" reference, it's likely because the combat message says that you "fork it with your pitchfork" and "thank goodness it isn't a pitchspoon", since if it was a pitchspoon then you'd be spooning it with it. --Quietust (t|c) 10:41, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
    • Ah, 'now' I get the pitchspoon/spooning thing. I guess I'm not quite as recovered from the craziness in my sector of meatspace as I thought. (Although, checksumming the edit history for pitchfork only tells me that it was a reversion to the page's status prior to my addition of the potential Dilbert reference . . . ) --PFC Walker 14:59, 17 July 2008 (CDT)

Users clearing content from their talk page

Whether or not Users should be allowed to clear out their talk pages has come up before. There it was sort of agreed that it should probably be allowed. I'm not sure what your take on all that is right now, but maybe this is an issue that should be brought up with all of the wiki admins so a consensus can be reached? --Flargen 22:26, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

  • Frequently, users will clear out their talk page if they've gotten warnings from admins/moderators as a way of hiding the fact that they've been misbehaving, which can result in them potentially getting additional "first warnings". I'm generally okay with removing general discussions, but warnings are one thing I don't believe should be removed (at least until the user has demonstrated that they intend to contribute positively). In this case, a closely related "*sighs loudly*" edit comment signals potential annoyance related to the rules here, something which warrants further surveillance. --Quietust (t|c) 23:05, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

Project Namespace

From recent changes: "(Move log); 12:55 . . Quietust (Talk | contribs) (TheKolWiki:Subpages moved to TheKolWiki talk:Subpages: I'm surprised the wiki even allowed you to create a page in the project namespace)" Well, it didn't seem right to start a talk page for a page that doesn't exist. As for letting me do it, I can't speak to that. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 15:17, 24 June 2008 (CDT)

Hobopolis Items

I was using that. As well, the mechanics section is nearly all wrong. If I delete it, people will bitch and complain, so could you do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mar (talkcontribs) on 2008-06-23 21:31:33

Template updates

I mentioned this over at Discussion#Template Updates Required. The {{acquire}} template needs to be updated to handle clan loot drops. Unfortunately, I didn't think of this at the time I/my clan finally bested our first boss, so I don't have the exact text for this. But I'm wagering that won't take too long to acquire from somebody. And also, {{Combat/meta}} still needs to be changed so that it shows bounty entries and such on the data pages themselves. --Flargen 01:51, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

Clan Trophy template

  • Thanks. I was just getting started on that, and it probably would've taken me a few days to figure out how to do the template and data page. --TechSmurf 21:05, 17 June 2008 (CDT)


A "|" followed directly by "id" seems to cause a 501 method not implemented error when both saving and previewing. I'm going to email FrostByghte, but I thought I'd just alert you to the error too. --CG1:t,c,e 21:18, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

Malicious Edit

Is this something that needs more action than my undoing it? --Flargen 23:04, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

He's done it before. And is most likely related to this guy...--QuantumNightmare 23:09, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Was there a particular reason you undid his edit of the Bots page? sellbot is an actual bot that does as the entry indicated (albeit with better English), amongst other things (a number of which are for-profit; but the pricing services are charge-free). Just you assuming that the since his other 2 page edits were vandals then so was that one, maybe? --Flargen 00:23, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

  • Actually, it's because Sellbot was already listed further down with a more comprehensive description, and the "Revert" function doesn't let you specify a reason. --Quietust (t|c) 12:10, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
    • Revert=undo right? When I click undo I get the normal edit window properties (i.e. give a reason for the edit) and you can add it there yes? --Plater (t|c) 12:46, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
      • Now that I look, the function is "Rollback", not "Revert", and only those with the "Sysop" privilege can use it - it instantly undoes all changes by the last user to edit the page. --Quietust (t|c) 12:59, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
    • Oh, okay, I hadn't noticed that. Was just looking at the "diff" link. --Flargen 14:32, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

Main Page "issues"

If you look at the source (or edit if you have the ability) of the main page, you see that it uses templates to announce IotM AND IOTM, where IOTM shows great balls of fire and IotM shows the correct one. Is there some cleaning up that could be done there? And while I'm on the subject, what is the time frame used for changing what is announced, I noticed it doesn't coincide with rollover, is it just using regular old server time? --Plater (t|c) 21:54, 6 February 2008 (CST)

magazines, standards pages

  1. I kind of disagree on the magazine thing, by the way. I understand from the standpoint of reducing the bulkiness of the section/entry, but with the HP/MP restore listed as is it's ambiguous (suggesting only the last message gives HP/MP). Off-hand I can't think of any strong precedent either way, as this is the only item/familiar/effect I can think of that gives the same item/effect/restore after non-identical messages. Okay, there's the Gluttonous Green Ghost, who has three restoring attacks with the restore listed for each. A middle-of-the-road solution would be to separate each message by an "or" for this more extreme case.
  2. Something needs to be done about the Established Standards: Item Pages page (as I brought up on the talk page there, but I'm guessing you'll notice my spaz attack here first). The links in its very own table of contents aren't pointing to the right things. Changing the name of the sections or replacing the examples with images could fix things. That or the code that generates a table of contents needs to be fixed to use more accurate links, like what Bagatelle has used to fix the problem this caused with NeedsReview. Or better yet, there doesn't happen to be a wiki code that effectively says "don't make this (sub)section linkable" does there? I'm guessing other Standards pages are suffering from the same malady. Seems kind of silly to have such behaviors on standards pages.

--Flargen 20:51, 1 February 2008 (CST)

unsigned template

While editing today, I eventually found my way over to the Discussion#Preceding unsigned comment page/section to ask why the unsigned template was always supposed to be subst'd. The only decent reason I could think of thus far is a concern over server load when dynamically adding in the content. Is that it, or is this some other reason? Haven't been able to track down a more fully explained reason; closest is a quick explanation on the template's talk page which doesn't satisfy/make sense to me. It would seem easier to consistently format them if they're dynamically generated rather than it selecting the current format on first addition. So what train of logic (and/or specific functionality of the wiki) is failing to dawn on me here? --Flargen 20:11, 27 January 2008 (CST)

  • The basic reason is because that's how Wikipedia does it, though it's probably been well demonstrated that we do not do things the same as Wikipedia, so feel free to disregard that particular bit about said template. --Quietust (t|c) 21:42, 27 January 2008 (CST)
    • is that a yes or a no, then. i must admit i'd prefer not to subst, but your previous advice, and that on the template page itself, is always to. i'm confused. should i roll back yesterday's changes, then? --Evilkolbot 02:30, 28 January 2008 (CST)
      • I've already removed the subst bit from the template page itself, so that should answer your question. --Quietust (t|c) 07:42, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Broken Links

I been digging around the Special Pages section and peeked in on broken links. There are over 700 unique pages linked that do not exist. Many of them seem to be Clans and/or mis-spellings. What is the policy for these broken links? Is it just a big project never tackled? Are clan pages allowed? (maybe clans/clanname the way user pages roll?) You wondering about it all. --Plater (t|c) 15:17, 18 January 2008 (CST)

Socialismydia page gone blank?

It appears you blanked/deleted the Socialismydia page a few weeks ago. Why? Accidentally?

  • (This should have been added at the top), I just re-saved the page in question so it would be back. Dunno how it got blanked, Quietust's edits just seemed to add some ID numbers. --Plater (t|c) 10:24, 10 January 2008 (CST)
    • What Plater said - I didn't blank the page, the wiki software did; a diff would have made this rather evident. --Quietust (t|c) 11:19, 10 January 2008 (CST)


I'm becoming quite the frequent poster here. But to my actual point. I was thinking it was about time that the virgin booty talk page had it's first 49 sections or so archived. I've no idea what the standard for doing this is, though, otherwise I'd have done it already (assuming a non-admin is capable). Most of the stuff there is out of date and no longer relevant. Though since there are indications from Jick and co. that there is still at least one unsolved puzzle out in the ocean, we might as well hang onto it just in case. Plus, history and all. --Flargen 13:34, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Editing Whackiness

I recently wrote on my talk page that I've been having some rather strange issues with trying to add a particular template to the Tome of Snowcone Summoning page. The page needs the new use messages and plural, which is why I want to add the template, but every time I try I get a 500 (Internal Server Error) message (which contains no address for the server administrator, incidentally). I've tried all I can to see if maybe my machine/router were somehow sending out bad data, and nothing's changed. And this is the ONLY page and the ONLY type of edit this is happening to me on. I can add the template to other pages no problem, and I can make other changes to the tome's page no problem. Any idea as to what's going on? --Flargen 10:24, 6 January 2008 (CST)

  • It probably has to do with certain words present on the page - it's a result of Coldfront using the ModSecurity "application firewall", which tries to prevent hacks by blindly looking for certain "exploity" sequences of characters. In this case, it didn't like the word "coalesce" because it's an SQL keyword; I've 'escaped' it, so you should be able to edit it now. --Quietust (t|c) 11:45, 6 January 2008 (CST)
    • I saw this here and thought I should also say something, the Comma Chameleon page is getting the same error message. --Chunky_boo 23:27, 16 January 2008 (CST)

Question about "immediate results only"

Thanks for your pirate mapper, but I question your revert on my edit on the pr0n legs article. From my point of view, if I have an item, I want to know all its potential uses. From the article pr0n chow mein, I can see I need pr0n legs to get there, so why shouldn't I be able to see that if I have pr0n legs, I can do better than manicotti? If this is a policy, where is it and what's the rationale? -- Polymath69 09:35, 31 December 2007 (CST)

  • I wasn't the one who made that policy, but it's there for a good reason (and it can be found here - scroll up a bit) - without it, "uses" lists would be ridiculously long (see scrumptious reagent for an example of what we want to avoid), especially for base ingredients such as spices. Besides, in your case, you would have also seen pr0n stir-fry in the list of stuff to make, which could have then led you to pr0n chow mein. --Quietust (t|c) 10:47, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Categories from {{item}}/etc.

Hm... what about the other flags, like hardcore (though I think this is basically Mr. Store), undiscardable, untradeable, free pulls from Hagnk? Someone some time ago expressed interest in seeing a list of untradeable (don't remember the talk page at this point)--potentially useful for collectors, or maintaining Rare Items, I guess. A couple of people in the past have also said they wanted to see a list of one-time adventures (the more recent comment is in Discussion#Category: One Time Adventures), so perhaps modifying the pertinent adventure templates might be applauded (though populating them would be a pain). --Bagatelle 15:31, 24 December 2007 (CST)

  • Free pulls would make a decent category. I'm also considering adding a new parameter to {{item}}, "custom=1", to easily denote custom items (and be able to mark them somehow in other template-based categories). --Quietust (t|c) 15:39, 24 December 2007 (CST)


Well, this clever update seems to imply that the methodology for calling the effect pop-ups was changed for NS13. So presumably, it was easy to guess EffectIDs prior to that. Er, also, I think you want section 2 for your "add a comment" instruction--it's popping me into the Reply Notification section. --Bagatelle 17:02, 19 December 2007 (CST)

  • Old effects were easy to guess because you could just fill in their numeric ID - since NS13, they use a big long hexadecimal string instead (similar to item description IDs, but worse). My question was how the hexadecimal effect description IDs were determined for effects which cannot possibly be acquired - the only way to actually get said description ID is to have the effect on you (that being the entire point behind adding said description IDs). As for the section number, my bad - I had moved Reply Notifications up to the very top for improved accessibility, but neglected to fix the section number for Comments. --Quietust (t|c) 18:19, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Organizing the sea spading and plinth saga

I was just thinking that the whole process of spading out the sea and the unlocking of the plinth would be deserving of its own page. For historical reasons if nothing else. Sort of like the pages detailing the history of the Penguin mafia, and other major story events that altered the Kingdom.

There are a few chunks of adventure text that El Vibrato got that still haven't been added to the wiki, in part because there's no particularly good place to put them and link them. It's also just an impressive sequence of massive group spading and cooperation amongst players that one might have suspected would be unwilling to cooperate in the appropriate fashion. It'd also unbloat the Virgin Booty talk page and give a better place to post any new developments.

I'd try to do this myself, but I'm not quite sure how to organize it all and format everything. What do you think? --Flargen 06:13, 16 December 2007 (CST)

Ah, someone took the initiative to clean up the Virgin Booty page while I was sleeping. Looks much better now and will probably suffice until further developments arise. --Flargen 16:40, 16 December 2007 (CST)


Hey, could you put crimbo on the front page please? --This unsigned post was made by Mar on 12:55, 15 December 2007

Pirate Map

Howdy! I'm very much enjoying watching you update your mapping script this evening; the graphic is really coming along nicely. I sent you a kmail in game to ask if you might be willing to expose the coordinates data you're collecting in a tab-limited text page as well? I'm creating a tracker separately, and being able to share data to/from yours seems to make the most sense. Let me know if you'd like to collaborate!--Gemelli 19:39, 5 December 2007 (CST)

  • It's added. I also fixed a bug where updating an existing coordinate didn't actually work. --Quietust (t|c) 20:10, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Any chance we could put a link on the article page instead of just talk? A little more exposure might help the process.--Toffile 23:53, 5 December 2007 (CST)

  • I'd have to clear it with the other wiki admins - besides, putting it in a more visible location may also serve to attract vandalism. --Quietust (t|c) 23:55, 5 December 2007 (CST)
    • That's what I figured. I was going to add it, but those thoughts crossed my mind, and I decided to ask instead.--Toffile 23:57, 5 December 2007 (CST)
  • Just a thought regarding the visual readability of the chart. Perhaps switch the icons for checked and double-checked squares. As the map fills up, 24,000 little squares with a dot in them would be hell on the eyes. However, if the dot was only for single-checked squares, it would be both easier to look at afterwards, and easier to pick out un-confirmed squares. --TechSmurf 01:22, 6 December 2007 (CST)

I am trying to do the black squares on your map, but your submission form rejects my inputs "Invalid encounter specified!" for 5,39 -> which shows up as LOST Island. Also, that light blue is the destroyer of worlds (at least the one where my eyes live) --Plater (t|c) 18:05, 12 December 2007 (CST)

  • Seconded on the color thing. Suggest that the water/key/chest colors be made into a dark blue, with everything else being brighter so they stand out better.--GoldS 18:09, 12 December 2007 (CST)
    • Fixed - when I updated the database to add additional flags for the special locations, I forgot to expand it to accept those inputs in the dropdown list. The colors should also be taken care of. --Quietust (t|c) 18:42, 12 December 2007 (CST)
    • That looks a lot better, thank you.--GoldS 18:50, 12 December 2007 (CST)

remote form submission

i've done a bit of seeking about in the elven seas, and i'd like to automate the upload of the results. i'm getting an error on the page, though: "Pay attention to the order in which you enter coordinates!" i've checked and rechecked them but i still can't see it. is this hopeless? would you like me to desist? would you be prepared to look over the submitted url? is there some other way of submitting ~60 results? --Evilkolbot 13:37, 8 December 2007 (CST)

  • The "Pay attention" isn't a warning, just a static message I added because of all of the people adding stuff with the coordinates backwards. Any actual errors will be displayed in red. One special error will say "Your results conflict with others - are you absolutely certain?" and will add a checkbox to the page, but you shouldn't get that unless you enter the coordinates or result incorrectly (or someone else did before you). --Quietust (t|c) 14:20, 8 December 2007 (CST)
    • hmm. something else is going wrong, because i have lon=198&lat=77. does your script expect something else? here's my url: .../piratemap/?zoom=1&lat=198&lon=77&enc=6&com=. i've tried it via POST, too, but same problem. --Evilkolbot 14:28, 8 December 2007 (CST)
    • now i feel slow. is the data being entered into the db? --Evilkolbot 14:29, 8 December 2007 (CST)
      • You need to specify the SUBMIT button as well (i.e. &add_item=1), otherwise nothing will go in. --Quietust (t|c) 14:31, 8 December 2007 (CST)
        • cool, that did it. thanks. --Evilkolbot 16:10, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Huge user page

I am currently working on a table to map the 100x242 of the latitude/longitude puzzle in the new pirates cove and want to put it on my user page. Thing is, it'll be huge when I'm done. Would this be OK, or should I look for another method to do this map? --CheezyBob 02:11, 5 December 2007 (CST)

  • From the discussion here, it looks like the coordinates are completely randomized, yielding different results each time even for the same player. Any effort to locate "special" coordinates would have to check each spot at least twice to ensure a unique drop (and then check at least 3-5 times to make entirely certain it doesn't change). I would advise creating a separate page underneath your userpage for this, such as User:CheezyBob/PirateMap. --Quietust (t|c) 08:12, 5 December 2007 (CST)
  • The wiki had something like this before, but organized differently.. This because (my guess) it is difficult to know where you add in a huge table, and people make mistakes. So, if we take a look at Category:Azimuth Tables, we can see the way it was done. I think we should reconsider using this method. Ofcourse it depends if you want to use it just for yourself or for the whole community. --Mercantilia 08:41, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Old Bot Requests

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  • Seems to have been essentially replaced last year by the addition of infoboxes. Is there any chance you could run the bot to eliminate them from all the old pages it's on?--Toffile 03:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
    • It would appear that somebody (with more initiative than me) has gone and finished this. --Quietust (t|c) 15:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the compliment. :P (Plans fell through one night)--Toffile 15:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

If I might bring your attention...

To this. I'm looking to have the recipe tables simplified by having some css definitions made on the wiki. SomeStranger likes the idea. And if possible, having QuietBot go through and make conversions to the existing recipe tables would save a lot of time. Instead of me doing it all by hand. Like I've been doing with 99% of the html-to-wiki table conversions. --Flargen 22:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure if that's something I could easily automate... for single-row recipes it wouldn't be too hard, but for multi-step ones it could get tricky, especially in cases like this recipe table where there's extra blank cells that we probably don't want getting colored in. --Quietust (t|c) 22:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
    • All blank cells should be changed to be table headers. So | rowspan="2" | &nbsp; should be converted to ! rowspan="2" | &nbsp;. As per your suggestion further up the discussion page, I made it so all table headers in a recipe table would be forced to a white background. --Flargen 23:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
    • And, actually, any blank cell that begins its definition in row1 (which is also forced to a white background), can just be left as a td, instead of a th. It'll inherit the background from row1, and won't be overridden by subsequent rows. But to make sure all current and future tables format correctly, it is probably best to go ahead and convert all blank cells into table headers. --Flargen 23:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

So...given what I mentioned about converting the blank cells, would this be a feasible bot task, or is this going to be a manual job? Or is there some other table feature that's tripping your attempts at an algorithm up? --Flargen 22:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Is that a "No", then? --Flargen 06:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Considering that a large number of recipe pages are still using HTML tables, I'm starting by converting all of those to wiki markup using the current format (rather than the new format using named styles) - once they're all in a consistent format, it'll be much easier to complete the transition and use the special classes. --Quietust (t|c) 16:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Ah, so there's an entire class of recipes I hadn't gotten around to converting, huh? I guess that's not entirely surprising. --Flargen 16:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
        • A total of 219 pages out of 933 containing {{equals}} were converted (one of which had to be reverted), and only 8 of those ended up needing post-processing (due to my script not handling multi-digit colspans). A brief test in Discussion indicates that the new recipe table styles do not appear to be in place, so obviously I won't proceed with that step of the conversion until it's ready. On a side note, I don't think we should be using rowspans for empty cells, since there are far too many recipe tables which simply will not allow it (for example, see recipes for any items made using Supertinkering). --Quietust (t|c) 16:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
          • Any tables with rowspans were like that before I got to them I believe. I kept them to simplify things on myself. I assume they were originally used to reduce the number of border elements appearing in recipe tables. Feel free to remove rowspans in the tables as appropriate. Can you modify the wiki css files yourself? If not, you can mention to SomeStranger that the bot is ready to convert tables to the css definitions and he can push them. The css definitions in the relevant Discussion section should be up-to-date and ready to go, unless you have a recommendation or issue with them. --Flargen 17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
            • There were only about 2 dozen pages which actually used rowspans, and I've changed them so they don't use it anymore. I've also finished writing and testing my style conversion script, so I have started the conversion process. A total of 924 pages will be updated by this script, and I intend to look over each and every one of them (which should only take a few hours tops) to make sure none of them got broken. --Quietust (t|c) 15:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
              • Looks like you're still going over the pages. Just wanted to say thanks for getting this done! --Flargen 18:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
                • I've finished verifying all of the edits made by my bot, and they all look good now (those that didn't look good were manually fixed). --Quietust (t|c) 18:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Melee Damage

It's been brought up on Discussion that for seemingly all enchantments, "Melee Damage" is now called "Weapon Damage". While I can go make the needed changes to the Bonus Melee Damage et al pages, we're probably going to need the bot to run through all the item pages, and update the enchantment field and probably the See Also section as well.--Toffile 00:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Sounds simple enough - I'll see what I can do. It looks like this affected both "Melee Damage +N" and "Melee Damage +N%", but not "Ranged Damage +N". --Quietust (t|c) 00:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Pretty much. I think they just ran a query that replaced all instances of "Melee Damage" to "Weapon Damage". "Ranged Damage" was not changed.--Toffile 00:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
      • The conversion is in progress, though it's going very slowly (likely due to extreme lag on the wiki itself) - it'll probably take several hours for it to finish. --Quietust (t|c) 03:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
        • I'd noticed this after ascending and looking at my Shilly and was starting to do it manually. Hopefully this didn't interfere with your process. I'll stop for now, since it looks like a bot is the better way to go about this. Bakapyrite 03:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Item condensing

Would it be possible to condense the items that all have the same obtained from information (like each of the tiny plastic series) and convert it into the new standard? I'd compile a list of possible targets, if you'd like. (Probably tomorrow, as it's past midnight here) Thanks. -Toffile 04:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually one more thing, would it be possible to convert "Drop Location" to "Obtained From" on most pages? It'd probably eliminate a lot of pages that are in the right format as it is. Also kind of unsure why this was moved, I was hoping to make a bot request. (I'm going to fix up the halloween candy pages now).-Toffile 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Changing "Drop Location" to "Obtained From" is trivial - it'll take me about 10 minutes to assemble a script, then it'd just be a matter of putting together a list of pages to process (search for "Drop Location", then have the script itself check that the next line begins with a semicolon). As for moving your comment, it was because you added it immediately at the end of the page as a new section, which is what most people do when they intend to add a normal comment rather than a bot request - since you are effectively asking for my bot's services now, I've moved it to the appropriate spot. --Quietust (t|c) 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
      • My bot has finished updating all pages I could find where the "Drop Location" section contained data using the new format - any other pages with "Drop Location" are still using the old format and will need to be updated manually. --Quietust (t|c) 03:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
      • a few more which the bot didn't get the first time through (some due to Coldfront abruptly dying, and others from me forgetting to handle "Drop Locations" and also forgetting to include the relevant pages). --Quietust (t|c) 14:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


I was just noticing that pretty much all of the ocean results are lacking the Locations category. Would it be appropriate to (have QuietBot) add it to some or all of them? --Flargen 20:50, 25 January 2008 (CST)

  • There's no need to use a bot for such a simple task - just edit the 15 pages and add the category tags to them manually. Using a bot should only be considered when there's at least a hundred pages to modify, preferably thousands (e.g. item/effect pages). Also, the Locations category is only appropriate for locations which contain adventures - the adventures themselves should just be categorized as Adventures. --Quietust (t|c) 21:07, 25 January 2008 (CST)
    • Didn't know the first, and somehow the obvious logic of the second escaped me. I'll pretend that's hilarious for all involved. --Flargen 21:08, 25 January 2008 (CST)

Meat Pasting component

Well earlier i was going to suggest using the bot to add the new meatpasteable link to a bunch of pages, but it appears as though the army has already done it. --Noinamg 22:11, 13 February 2008 (CST)