User talk:Oneforfortytwo

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Games Rules

Hey, the page is used very frequently in the channel to help out newbies and seems to be as relevant as some pages discussing clans or players. Please consider reinstating the page; I don't see how its existence could be a problem. --Omegle2357 06:24, 12 May 2012 (CEST)

As a moderator of the /games channel, I have to second this - we use the Games Rules and Games Etiquette pages in that channel on a nearly daily basis, since we do not have a way of adding those rules to the in-game documentation. --Marm 06:34, 12 May 2012 (CEST)

  • I was always a little uneasy with these pages, but as long as they were used and kept up-to-date and not spammy I've not had any particular compulsion to have them deleted. I've restored the rules and etiquette pages for now, and created a Discussion topic about it. Discussion can be a bit glacial or one-sided admittedly, but it's still one of the best ways to get admins, avid editors, etc. to chime in. --Flargen 06:58, 12 May 2012 (CEST)
    • Thanks very much, Flargen! --Omegle2357 18:54, 13 May 2012 (CEST)


  • why did you take the bullet points out of the history of loathing? could you put them back, please? --Evilkolbot 20:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Without them there is a consistency, readability, and indenting issue. If you want things on the same indent level as the bulleted line without having another bullet (such as with announcements that were multiple paragraphs long, but were otherwise a "single" announcement), you're going to have to use something like <br/> tags. --Flargen 00:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:TitleParts categorizing

I feel the Utility Templates section is meant for subroutine templates only, not sub-subroutine or heaven forfend sub-sub-subroutine templates. For example "TitleParts/Splice/1" exists SOLELY and ONLY to workaround the wiki's lack of variable support. If the wiki supported variables, these pages would NOT exist.

TitleParts/Splice/1 means "TitleParts/Splice continuation page 1".
TitleParts/Splice/2 means "TitleParts/Splice continuation page 2".

These templates are intended as continuation pages to their parents only and should, in no way, shape, or form be isolated from their parents or acknowledged they even exist at all except by their parents.
Basically what I'm doing here is as follows:

class TitleParts { public function SizeOf($args) { private function SizeOf1($args) { //definition } //definition with a reference to SizeOf1 } public function Splice($args) { private function Splice1($args) { private function Splice2($args) { //definition } //definition with a reference to Splice2 } //definition with a reference to Splice1 and SizeOf } public function Reverse($args) { private function Reverse1($args) { //definition } //definition with a reference to Reverse1 and SizeOf } }

I don't think private methods should be referenceable from outside their class's scope. Categorizing the parent is good enough. But goes so far to Categorize a private sub-sub-subroutine template... come on...
——Annoying nerd 21:52, 1 February 2012 (CET)

Links to Redirects

I'm just curious: why do you go around changing links to redirect pages into direct links? I'm not saying you shouldn't, I just want to understand why. I just can't think of any reason that one way is better than the other. Thanks. --timrem 23:06, 30 March 2012 (CEST)

  • i'm interested to know, too. for my part, i thought it was policy. it is on Wikipedia --Evilkolbot 23:15, 30 March 2012 (CEST)
  • The one reason I could think of from the top of my head is that it takes less bandwidth to use a direct link than hitting a redirect page, and then hitting the page you're looking for.. On a singular basis, it wouldn't look like much. A kilobyte here, A kilobyte there.. but when you have a large amount of people clicking multitudes of redirects per day, I'd assume it adds up to a decent sized chunk of bandwidth over the month.. --Serin 13:19, 31 March 2012 (CEST)
    • I don't think bandwidth would be affected at all. I don't claim to know anything about the implementation of MediaWiki, but I assume it works as follows: When you click a redirect link (for instance, 11), you request the page "11". The server receives this request, retrieves the page, determines it's a redirect, retrieves the destination page, and only then sends that out. There's evidence this may be the case, since the URL still reads as "/thekolwiki/index.php/11" and not "/thekolwiki/index.php/Eleven" as would be the case if it used some other form of page forwarding. I suppose the argument then is, direct links reduce server load since it doesn't have to retrieve the redirect page. And for Wikipedia, with millions of pages and similarly many users, it makes sense to optimize as best as possible. If that's the only reason though, I'd think the extra storage required to store all the revisions to change the links would need to be weighed against the minor reduction in server load to determine if it's the right thing to do. --timrem 19:18, 31 March 2012 (CEST)
    • The extra revisions are one-shot things, while pages are loaded repeatedly, so there is increasing benefit over time even if not as dramatic as wikipedia: many pages load multiple thousands of times, and the most popular pages can be loaded millions of times. People tend to create new pages by example (certainly I do) so reducing opportunities for bad examples is also of some benefit. Overall the small amount of extra storage required seems to me likely well outweighed by the potential for even a tiny improvement to speed...besides which, I agree with previous observations that linking to redirects is sloppy editing, and I appreciate the clean-up effort. --Fig bucket 22:35, 31 March 2012 (CEST)
      • I go about fixing these when I find them, too. It does result in a small speedup, especially when the link is to a redirect that redirects to... another redirect. --Wrldwzrd89 00:07, 1 April 2012 (CEST)


Hey, I'm not sure what you meant to do, but your recent edit to Discussion wound up adding content to the page, when the edit summary said you were archiving discussion. It also deleted some comments and timestamps. I always find it useful to use "Show changes" to make sure nothing like that happens. Happy editing! --timrem 23:28, 3 April 2012 (CEST)

Ah, I see now. I've gone and moved it instead to the Pages for deletion archive, since a) it's been resolved, so it probably doesn't need to be in with active Discussion, and b) it makes sense (to me) to keep it with the rest of that deletion debate. The deletion of your old comment and the timestamp, I don't really have a problem with, I see your point. Though I think it's generally discouraged? As for helping with the tables, it looks like what's there does exactly what you're asking for, they just need to be alphabetized. Which I'd be happy to do, if that's what you were asking for, when I have the time. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and happy editing! --timrem 23:21, 4 April 2012 (CEST)

Games and Marshall pages

Hi. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'd kmail, but I don't know your in-game name.

First, I'm glad the pages about /games were restored. They are used very, very frequently as noted below by Marm and Omegle.

Second of all, 03:51, 3 May 2012 Oneforfortytwo (Talk | contribs) deleted "Marshall" ‎ (not notable enough)

Not notable enough? What? So how big of a bugfinder do you have to be? (We're talking epic bugs here. Not "my ravioli hat looks like a skeleton bone" bugs.) How about a bugfinder and an ascension tester? How about someone who asks Jick for his own chat channel and actually gets it? (Not to mention his own secret invite-only subforum to discuss changing parts of the game.) What about leader of one of the most respected and mysterious clans in KoL history?

I don't understand why the page was offensive enough to be removed. It didn't hurt anything.

In light of the the huge PvP revamp, I think it's sad to see the wiki page of one of the most notorious and legendary PvPers and PvP advocates gone. In light of everything he did and contributed to this community, it's sad to see his page go. Just because he's not active, or just because you don't know who he is, doesn't mean he was not very important to KoL. Heck, I don't even like him. He's a big PvP'ing jerk!! But he sure is notable enough to deserve his own wiki page. Marshall is legendary. His history is woven through the fabric of KoL.

Please, return Marshall's wiki page. --Ercassendil 13:03, 12 May 2012 (CEST)

I think enough has been said about the games page being removed. It is a great page to introduce new players to appropriate behavior.

Personally, I don't care if anyone has their own page, but if anyone does, he'd certainly qualify in my opinion. All the things ercassendil posted I can just second. I'll add that he still logs on, and still adds his input to the game today. You just don't see him. It's not his style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowmanbob (talkcontribs) on 14:13, 12 May 2012 (CEST)


You can't just add kolimage arbitrarily - the parameters need to match what's actually on the server. --Quietust (t|c) 22:39, 25 May 2012 (CEST)

Necessary Redirects

  • Careful with that axe, Eugene. Some of the redirects you've been enthusiastically deleting are actually needed. Specifically the all lowercase ones like spam witch sammich which help the rubbish wiki search find mixed case pages like Spam Witch sammich. It is also customary to have no-punctuation redirects as well, so don't delete those either, thanks. --Evilkolbot 23:28, 29 May 2012 (CEST)


I received a Kmail from "rapeyacrazy" (#1945120) claiming to be you, requesting to delete User:Timrem/test. I replied here. --timrem 21:24, 11 July 2012 (CEST)

Do we just undo talk page-content these days?

As far as I understand, we remove stuff from the page itself that doesn't belong there for one reason or another and freely discuss on the talk pages. Was your undoing of talk page-content without further comments an accident or mistake or maybe do you want to tell me something? Because I'm pretty bewildered right now. --Yatsufusa 04:59, 18 July 2012 (CEST)

  • I have no idea what happened. I have never visited that page before, and I definitely did not intentionally revert your edits. I never touch the content of talk pages, unless there is a bug that I need to fix, or something else along those lines. So, I am also confused as to why the wiki is saying that I am the perpetrator of those actions. Just to be safe, I have changed my password, and I will try to be a bit more vigilant while I am logged in. I sincerely apologize for the trouble, and I hope that this little incident will not repeat itself in the future. --Oneforfortytwo 18:32, 18 July 2012 (CEST)
    • In that case I want to apologize for the imputation. I'm just glad it didn't happen on purpose and already hoped there was some kind of reasonable explanation. --Yatsufusa 19:42, 18 July 2012 (CEST)
    • The most likely explanation is a mis-click. "Revert" is an admin-only action and is done with a single click through a link on the recent changes page, or the page's history page. --Flargen 21:27, 18 July 2012 (CEST)

Oyster Egg Day

Why are you adding Category:History to the individual Oyster Egg Day pages? I specifically removed Category:Events from all those entries because Events was 26 links to the various holiday pages, and then 36 links to the individual Oyster posts. So it was more than half Oyster, which is both ridiculous and inconsistent with how the other holidays are treated. Oyster Egg Day is a holiday, not history, and the one link in Events should be more than enough. --Tainted Food Product 21:39, 19 July 2012 (CEST)

  • You must realize that if you leave a page uncategorized, it will show up here. I am pretty sure that standard wiki policy states that all pages should be categorized, if possible. For an event page to be located in the Events category, the event that it describes must "recur throughout the year." While Oyster Egg Day itself recurs, the previous Oyster Egg Days do not. For example, will there ever be another Oyster Egg Day XXX? On the other hand, pages that are located in the History category can be describing "non-recurring events." This fits the description of the previous Oyster Egg Day pages perfectly. --Oneforfortytwo 14:43, 20 July 2012 (CEST)
    • Actually there is no standard about categorizing pages on this wiki. It's just a nice thing to do, it's not really mandatory. Not to mention in a case like this it'd be better to just make an Oyster Egg subcategory and leave it at that. Its basically noise to any other category but that.--Toffile 22:43, 20 July 2012 (CEST)
      • If that is the path you want to take, we're going to be left with a nice clean Uncategorized page, and Category pages that are completely overcrowded and useless. If all the Oyster Egg Day entries are changed they'll make up 20%-25% of the History category. I'll leave it be for now, but I think it's silly. --Tainted Food Product 00:59, 21 July 2012 (CEST)

Red Links

Please be sure to update any links to pages you move, especially if you suppress the auto-generated redirect, such as your recent arbitrary renaming of discussion archives. If you don't, the pages will be left orphaned and the links to the original pagename will become ugly red links. Special:WhatLinksHere is generally used for this purpose, as well as for removing or changing links to pages which are about to be deleted. Have a nice day. --timrem 18:55, 28 July 2012 (CEST)

Item grantskill=X

Your change to "grantskill" has broken all existing usage of that parameter - originally, a value of 1 would add "NOTE: This item grants a skill." and values of "sc/tt/s/p/db/at" would add a similar note saying that it's class-restricted (currently used only for the 5 Hobopolis songs), and the in-game item descriptions still have those notes. --Quietust (t|c) 22:11, 3 August 2012 (CEST)

  • I've changed the "grantskill" parameter back to the way it was and readded your changes as the "skill" parameter (and updated all existing pages I could think of). --Quietust (t|c) 22:49, 3 August 2012 (CEST)

Arrrbor Day "Stumped" adventure edit

You edited it on the 11th of this month with a note "fixed image link", but the reality of what you did is completely mess up the stated rewards for planting 100 or more saplings of a given type on a previous Arrrbor Day. You also made a variety of other edits which may or may not benefit the page. I don't know if you somehow did these things on accident, but an administrator should be more careful than that. Please fix it. --HikaruYami 23:58, 23 August 2012 (CEST)

Admin tools

Oneforfortytwo, you should be more careful when using your admin tools. When you moved Template:Typo to Template:Sic, you messed up over 100 pages by suppressing the redirect. Until all the pages which use {{typo}} are updated to use {{sic}}, you need to keep something in place so the functionality remains the same. Whenever you delete a page (or suppress a redirect), you need to check the "What links here" for that page to make sure you're not leaving redlinks or breaking transclusions. Sorry if I come across as rude, but in my book this stuff is basic Admin 101 on wikis. --timrem 23:36, 1 October 2012 (CEST)

  • I understand your concerns. However, had you been reading the discussion lately, you would have seen that I asked Quietust a few days ago to perform the exact change that you mentioned. And indeed, if you take a look at QuietBot's contributions, you will see that all instances of the old typo template have been converted to the new sic template. The wiki is sometimes rather slow when it comes to updating things, so that is probably why all of those pages are still showing up in the place that you mentioned. --Oneforfortytwo 23:57, 1 October 2012 (CEST)
    • ...aside from the few instances my bot missed because I forgot to use case-insensitive replace, anyways. --Quietust (t|c) 20:14, 2 October 2012 (CEST)

Chat with Oneforfortytwo

Thank you for adding so many items to the new multi use items category! I was definitely not looking forward to going through every item page looking for more :) Lahonda 19:35, 28 October 2012 (CET)

Deleting Spam

Just a small suggestion: when deleting those spam user pages, make sure you clear out the default Reason because otherwise their spam URLs continue to be visible in the Recent Changes list. --Quietust (t|c) 23:56, 16 January 2013 (CET)

Data:The Beast with n Eyes

Can you temporarily restore this Data:The Beast with n Eyes and transfer any fields over to Data:Beast with X Eyes, the newer page is less complete than the old one. Discordance 22:25, 17 January 2013 (CET)

  • Unless theres a conflict with the newer page, i've updated some of the fields like attack/defence, name, pronoun. But other fields that were previously spaded are missing. Discordance 22:28, 17 January 2013 (CET)

Wiki things

Recent changes hasn't been making the "diff" link turn dark when clicking on it, so it's harder for me to know what I've seen. Also, collections don't seem to be working. Any ideas? — Cool12309 (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2013 (CET)


  • any chance you could tidy up after yourself? here? thanks. --Evilkolbot 14:01, 28 January 2013 (CET)

The Dungeoneer's Association Vending Machine

Why have you moved the page back and you've reuploaded the images the wrong way round? The image at otherimages/da is the one with text used in the The Dungeoneers' Association. The one without text at otherimages is used on the actual The Dungeoneer's Association Vending Machine page, you've switched them but not where they are used so once the image cache sorts it out they'll be used on the wrong pages. The image cache was screwing with my upload of the new image so it might have looked like a squashed version of the old one at first. As for the page name if you visit the vending machine the banner title of the page now reads The Dungeoneer's Association Vending Machine, giving us its proper name rather than a vending machine. A vending machine should just be a redirect to the full title. Discordance 11:07, 2 February 2013 (CET)

I got your message in-game just now, the image looked wrong because of the image cache being sloooow. You can see in the history it was the correct image. As for the naming it made more sense to rename the old one which was only used in one place, the da was a natural prefix shared with some other images in the da, couldn't think of anything for the new one and using the da prefix on that is misleading as other da prefixed images are for the da room. The only reason not to rename the older one is when its used in a large number of places and even then its relatively easy to have a bot replace the links. I've seen the image policy page so I might bring that up there but is the page naming policy written up anywhere? Would like to discuss changing that one. Discordance 11:25, 2 February 2013 (CET)


I've uploaded 0-9 as zone_0 etc. There is a whole thing of them for a-z AND A-Z. Should we upload all of it? And if we do, how do we differentiate A and a, for example? zone_a_caps? — Cool12309 (talk) 00:04, 10 February 2013 (CET)

Avatar of Boris (challenge path)

Before I go and just rename the Avatar of Boris page back to Avatar of Boris (challenge path) I wanted to talk to you. I think having the page for the challenge path named with that suffix makes sense and isn't something one would have to worry about. On the other hand, there are now over 150 pages linking to what's currently a redirect — and I know you don't like that, the same as me.
To me, it sounds like a simple truth: There are (currently) two things in The Kingdom of Loathing that are both named Avatar of Boris. One is a challenge path and one is a monster. As far as I'm aware, when something shared a name with something else, giving the wiki-search that name led users to a redirect where they could choose what they were looking for. But maybe in this case, there's more to it. Please tell me what you think. --Yatsufusa (talk) 06:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I think you should look at A and The Battlefield and An and The Old Man. They just have a note linking to the other page, because while they are similar, they are not the exact same. Avatar of Boris is the challenge path name, but The Avatar of Boris is the monster name. There is an extra The. — Cool12309 (talk) 12:04, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. I was assuming the "The" wasn't part of the monster name, such as the "a" is not a part of the Goth Giant's name when "You're fighting a Goth Giant". --Yatsufusa (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Where is the discussion page that led to this change being reverted? I think that this is particularly confusing for the user who is both looking for the Monster and also does not realize that there is a "The" on the beginning of the monster's name -- especially as the reverted Boris page lacks any reference to the monster (not even a "see also" at the top.)--Nightvol (talk) 14:57, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


You broke it again D: You removed a } from HotWord. — Cool12309 (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Safe Moxie

See here for discussion. Just wanted consensus on if we could modify the template to have a safe moxie as attack+10, with an optional parameter to override that. — Cool12309 (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Category pages need moving

I don't know if we're not allowed to, but this needs to be moved to this, this to this, this to this (do the one after this first), and this to this. I'll worry about changing all the links and the like after this is done. — Cool12309 (talk) 22:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

  • I see what was done. Working on fixing the red links these changes created. Crimbo was giving me a headache. Elves it is. --MageRed (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


Template:Location/meta needs to be updated to show the Terrain type. — Cool12309 (talk) 10:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Ingame Image Name

Hey, I can't check if what you just moved is the real name, but didn't we already decide NOT to move names to the image name, but their actual name? — Cool12309 (talk) 21:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

New lost necklace image

Hi, I tried to upload a new image that I found of the long-forgotten necklace a while back and I have no idea how to keep it in. I presume it thought it was a duplicate because I included the original file name in the description, but either way, there is in fact a new image for the necklace that I'd be happy to attempt to upload with your help. Let me know on my talk page. Argus (talk) 03:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Bad Moon Best Foods deletion

The new Best Foods tables is beautiful, but without stable sort of columns it isn't a complete replacement. Of more immediate importance, many foods have inaccurate BM information, and Clan of 14 Days is currently running a kittycore contest with ~150 participants, so the timing for a sudden interface swap with regressions in accuracy couldn't be worse. Any chance of a restore for two or three weeks? Also, If I can see the old page, editing all the info into the main Best Foods page would be much more feasible. --Clovis Sangrail (talk) 20:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure if the sort is intentionally stable, but at least resorting by the BM column still ends up subsorted by adv/full; as well, I can sort by a stat, then by BM and it preserves secondary order then too. Also, what is inaccurate? Other than a few hard-coded exceptions for weird cases, the data in there is gathered directly and automatically from the wiki pages for the foods listed. --Fig bucket (talk) 21:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
  • (I guess the list of bad moon foods is something I have in a separate, off-wiki file. Is that what you mean by inaccurate?) --Fig bucket (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
  • My mistake, it does look like a stable sort; I was thrown off by so many foods having inaccurate BM status. That isn't part of the food template, as far as I can tell, so I don't see how it would be gathered from the individual food pages. Imitation white russian is what I wanted to look up when I discovered the page has been deleted (I take it there are no prior alerts for that; sigh). Many other recently-added foods are wrongly marked "N"; others are marked "Y" that are technically available in BM but were omitted from the BM page for reasons of relevance (chiefly the Way of Sauce products). --Clovis Sangrail (talk) 21:33, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
    • Ok, I see. What I can do is upload the list of bad moon foods/drinks in a raw form so others more knowledgeable than me can edit the list, and I will then use that when regenerating the tables. --Fig bucket (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
      • (List is here.) --Fig bucket (talk) 22:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
      • Having the list source wiki-editable is ideal; without being able to refer to the now-deleted page, though, I'm not very enthusiastic about delving into this. Is there a way to get to deleted pages for archeological purposes? I'm not a wiki sophisticate. I would have save a copy if I'd known it was pending deletion... --Clovis Sangrail (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
        • I copied the items previously listed into your talk page (not sure oneforfortytwo wants that big list on his page). --Fig bucket (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

A Slimy Hole

Why was this deleted? — Cool12309 (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


I have to question this edit. Why was the image in the donor ad changed from "13" (skully's avatar) to "advent_13"? I'm 98% sure the image was correct before your edit. --timrem (talk) 15:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Oops. I changed it because File:13.gif is an image redirect, so the Advertisements page link made it appear here. However, I have no why I changed it to advent_13 instead of skullhead, as I should have. Sorry for the confusion. --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 04:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

News: category pages

Please don't delete pages prefixed with the News: category. We're in the process of shifting away from the old KoL Coldfront main page in terms of tying functionality to the wiki because scripts are old, busted, and Joomla is an awful platform for modern publishing. Deleting these pages breaks the archive and the main page, which is drawing from them to display latest news at this point. --Nightvol (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't seems like a waste of space. The old system wasn't perfect (lots of formatting issues), but at least we didn't have to create a new wiki article each time a new Coldfront article was posted. Is there any way to not use Joomla and still automate the system by updating the mechanics of the <coldfrontnews> tag? Or is that not possible? --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2015‎ (UTC)
    • I believe that caseyweederman said that this is definitely the most efficient way. The "waste of space" objection seems weird, because it implies that there's some finite amount of space that we're in danger of butting up against, and that'd be something that's on us on the Coldfront backend anyway (and we're the one who needed the change, so we wouldn't want to shoot ourselves in the foot like that.) Because everything is prefixed with the News: category, it's clear that it's news and not a normal article, and has the bonus of allowing users to easily search through back-news, which we didn't have in the old system. Finding anything was a nightmare.--Nightvol (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
      • If the argument is for a waste of disk space, deleting things only increases disk usage because the page is still stored on the server so it may be restored, and more disk space is used to store the deletion log. --timrem (talk) 06:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello, and thank you for all your work on this wonderfully useful wiki. I see you've updated the time at the top of Rollover. I'm sure it happens at 11:30pm in someone's timezone but not in mine! Would something like "03:30 UTC" work? (GMT sounds less technical but is widely misunderstood to mean "UK time".) I guess from the previous version's mention of Arizona that the time is the same all year round but, if it observes some country's flavo[u]r of daylight saving, that would be useful information. Thanks again, Certes (talk) 23:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

  • That text is copied directly from here. I didn't notice, however, that (as Billybobfred pointed out), that time is not hard-coded, but instead is derived from this script. I suppose what we could do is simply duplicate it here on the wiki. Let me ask around and see. --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)