User talk:Alpaca

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Have fun on Gourdcore, and don't give up. Seeing that trophy in your case is worth it! --Barnaby36 18:03, 18 Oct 2005 (MDT)

What's next, Alpaca? Booze and "When Drunk"?--Barnaby36 09:54, 16 Oct 2005 (MDT)

Check out this thread on the forums. I'm just going by the current poll results and comments. --Alpaca 10:02, 16 Oct 2005 (MDT)

I'm moving Alpaca/Help because it shows up in uncategorized pages. It's best to put temp stuff in subpages of your WikiUserName. Have fun playing in your own personal sandbox. --JRSiebz (|§|) 01:35, 6 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

  • Thank ye! --Alpaca 05:53, 6 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

Hey, there. I only just now noticed your note to me on Nov 24 regarding coordinating our efforts on the {{itemheader}} templates -- you put it on Talk:Old Ned rather than User Talk:Old Ned, so I didn't get notified. (I've redirected the Talk page to the User Talk page and moved your comment.)

I'm not really doing all the items; I've been specifically doing all Food items, going down the alpha list in the Food category. How do you get a list of item numbers? I don't have any objection to coordinating our efforts, but I'm not sure how to go about it... -- Old Ned 01:25, 10 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

  • You can see a list of what I've done so far on my main page. I'm using Items by number as a guide. So, y'know, if'n we could somehow keep track of what we've done, to avoid redundancy. --Alpaca 08:39, 11 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

Okay... what I've been doing so far is that if a page turns out not to need any more standardizing, I simply move on to the next item on my list. It seems to me that getting the name of my next food item, looking up its number, then looking at your page to see if you've gotten that far would take longer than just editing the page to see if it needs work. Not to mention that your page only lists what you've done up to the nearest 100, so it won't tell me whether an item in the range you're currently working on has been done yet... So I'm not clear how that will save us time.

If you're wondering how far I've gotten, I've currently done all the foods up to "pointy mushroom" on the Category:Food page. So about 2/3 down, 1/3 to go. I guess for you, if you see that the next item on your list is a food, you can tell where it is alphabetically without having to look anything up, so this might work a little better for you than for me... -- Old Ned

  • Sounds good! Thanks. --Alpaca 13:25, 14 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

FYI, I've done all the foods through Retenez L'Herbe Pate now. -- Old Ned 04:48, 23 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

  • Thanks. I'm kinda not doing much because the wiki is impossibly laggy for me. Things should start up again around New Year's. --Alpaca 14:30, 25 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

Okay, it wasn't too laggy today so I finally got off my butt and finished the foods. Now I'm working on Items by Number in reverse order -- that is, starting at the highest number (1434 at this writing) and working down, so we should meet in the middle eventually. Of course, by then there'll probably be several items added at the end of this list since I started there... -- Old Ned 22:35, 12 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

By the way, does anybody check the forum anymore? In theory we're supposed to carry on major discussions there, but I posted a new thread in there several days ago with no response so far. -- Old Ned 19:58, 12 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

  • In theory, yes. I check it every day. Still, though, something's wrong with it (see Discussion#Forums), so it's rather impractically slow. --Alpaca 13:25, 14 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)
    • It is awfully slow lately. And I've been seeing some pretty slow response time here in the wiki, too, not just the forum. I hate to say it, but it seems like either the new server is underconfigured or something in the server setup is screwed up. -- Old Ned 04:23, 15 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)
    • Indeed. That's why I haven't gotten much done of late, apart from checking ye olde watchlist daily. --Alpaca 11:36, 15 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

Welcome back!--SomeStranger (t|c) 12:48, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

  • Hey, thanks! --Alpaca (T/C) 12:49, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
    • You might notice that your attempt to standardize the item pages has been done already. More than once. =)--SomeStranger (t|c) 12:57, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
      • Oh, the lovely cycle of some change to standards and every page having to change, again and again? --Alpaca (T/C) 13:00, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
        • Actually, more like finding ways to standardize larger chunks of the pages. No more of this using a template only for the item image and name and then copying/pasting the description and stats for each item - one single template ({{item}}) reproduces the entire in-game item description page, soon to be complete with automatic categorization of cooking/cocktailcrafting/meatsmithing ingredients. And I'm also in the (intermittent) process of using a single template ({{useitem}}) to cover every single "use item" text in the game instead of having to use {{food}}, {{booze}}, {{spleen}}, and straight copy/paste for everything else. The upshot is that if the general formatting of an in-game message changes (like changing "Cannot be traded." to "Cannot be traded"), only one page needs to be edited. --Quietust 13:06, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
          • Awesome. --Alpaca (T/C) 13:18, 31 July 2006 (CDT)


The template page doesn't tell you to add *s - it states that it adds *s to items which are in the list but whose plurals are not known (denoted with a plural form of '?'). --Quietust 23:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

  • Thanks! I swear I get less stupid as time goes on. --Alpaca (T/C) 23:26, 31 July 2006 (CDT)


  • The reason {{Click}} goes vertically instead in rows is a flaw in its implementation; you'll need to put those flowers in a <table> for it to work. I attempted {{Click2}} which works differently and is a lot nicer html-wise. Unfortunately, you need to glean the hash from the image path. See Template talk:Click.
    Edit: The current consensus is to not use click2 though, but we could bump the disscusion.
    --Dehstil (t|c) 18:14, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Try highlighting the part with the toaster/arches, you'll see what I was talking about. --Someone Else 18:34, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Ah, right. I'll see what I can manipulate there. --Alpaca (T/C) 18:35, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • That was some fancy work to be done there, but I finally got it. --Alpaca (T/C) 18:52, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


  • Ah, so there was some rendering problems in some browsers. Unfortunately, I don't have Safari and I'm guessing those that do are few. I'm not sure how to tweak it, but if you know anything about CSS, you could give it a try or help me out..somehow, with screenshots or something.--Dehstil (t|c) 20:29, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


  • Is that declaration in MediaWiki:Common.css still needed? Because now things aren't preformatting right.--Dehstil (t|c) 00:39, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Nevermind, JRSiebz changed it. By the way, I had some cosmetic suggestions at User talk:Dehstil#CSS:
 border:solid 1px #aaaaaa;


 line-height: 1.5em;




 margin:1em auto!important;


along with personal link color adjustments. I'm not sure if Safari does a userContent.css but you could test these out for fixing <pre> tags and such and see if any of them mess anything up on the mac.--Dehstil (t|c) 17:05, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Very sorry if I broke anything; when I did it, I tested it with Safari and Firefox, nothing seemed broken, so I left it before going on vacation. (Still on vacation now, just popping in.) Don't have time to look over anything at the moment, but thanks for putting the stuff here. --Alpaca (T/C) 22:01, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Oooh, that kind of vacation, kinda like using something similar to the following on wikipedia, eh? Though my favorite is the mental health inactive template. Hehe, Wikiholiday. There is so much humor hidden throughout wikipedia. Eh, what was I talking about again? --JRSiebz (|§|) 22:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
75px-Sunset_at_Huntington_Beach.jpg Alpaca is trying to take a short wikibreak and will be back on the KoL Wiki SOMEDATE. Most likely, however, Alpaca will not be able to keep away from the KoL Wiki for that long, and will probably be back a lot earlier while making some small edits every once in a while anyway.
        • Aww, you're too nice to me after I screwed up so much right before I went away. I think the mental holiday template needs to be permanently displayed on my user page, though. --Alpaca (T/C) 22:33, 8 August 2006 (CDT)


I suppose I should point out that it's type=lose, not type=loss - the "type" is dropped directly into the text as it appears. --Quietust 16:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Also, "amount=some" can be omitted, as per the examples on the template pages. --Quietust 16:43, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
    • The examples I just added, anyways - I forgot, I had only added that to {{Adv}}. --Quietust 16:46, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Wow. That was stupid of me. I totally misread that syntax page, and... gah. I'll fix it. --Alpaca (T/C) 16:44, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Okay, I added a fix. I swear, that wasn't just out of laziness, that was because I'm positive that other people will be prone to make that same mistake. Makes enough sense grammatically. --Alpaca (T/C) 16:52, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Actually, I'd prefer not to fix stuff that way, though this method at least leaves open the option of dropping in a temporary Category tag so they can be fixed up later (just like what we're using now to get rid of the numeric style). --Quietust 16:59, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
      • I completely understand. Good thought, though, with using it to fix my errors - I'll go ahead and do that once I've done the rest of HP (where I'll probably make some mistakes, too). --Alpaca (T/C) 17:20, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

MP not showing correctly

Hi there. I left a note for another mod on this too. The whirling maple leaf and star starfish articles both say you get MP's, and "You gain xx muscularity points". The part that displays that is a script, so I can't fix it, but it should be mana points. Can you fix that please? Thanks ColtsScore 03:19, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

This now appears to be fixed. ColtsScore 22:32, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Doorcode URL outdated

I noticed the doorcode solver you link to on your userpage only points to domain parking as of this time so you might want to update it. :P --Egs 09:16, 28 April 2007 (CDT)