TheKolWiki:Pages for deletion/archive6

Moon table

• Template:Moonrow
• Template:Moonrow/today
• Template:Moonrow/ronald
• Template:Moonrow/grimace
• Template:Moonrow/minimoon
• Template:Moonrow/light
• Template:Moonrow/day

Too much complexity for the servers too handle... no real way to simplify it. Phlip 23:17, 27 June 2006 (CDT)

• • I'd recommend this to be relooked at. 3 years and nothings changed. All we have is a template sucking up resources.--Toffile 02:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Data Collection Guidelines

Page has no content...discussion stalled in 2005.--Foggy 13:11, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

• but the talk page does have content, and it's interesting stuff. i vote this stays. perhaps the guidelines part of the talk could be summarised and put on the page. --Evilkolbot 15:52, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
  • I believe all of that "interesting stuff" exists on other talk pages (where it was originally copy-pasted from), or is already covered or superceeded by the material at spading. So I'm going to have to re-nominate this page for deletion. --Flargen 22:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Ditto. It's of no use any more.--Toffile 02:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Site Map

This is out of date, and doesn't appear to serve much purpose. I'd like to recommend we trash the page. A rewrite of it seems unlikely given the attention so many other parts of the site needs.--Foggy 16:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Data Collection Guidelines

The main page is blank, and the talk page was last updated in 2005. I'm sure they'd be nice to have, but if no one's added to this in four years, it's probably never going to happen.--Foggy 02:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• That page is actually a bit further up on this page. I also agree on deleting it. I'll give it another day or two if anyone wants to try giving a convincing argument for keeping it. As I said above, all of the information on the talk page should be present on other pages which are more relevant to the current wiki. --Flargen 22:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Denwar/Ascension-20091001

It is his user page but putting logs up is still excessive. Anyone else agree? --CG1:t,c,e 03:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a wiki, not a personal website. Ascension logs are best stored elsewhere, I say delete. --Lordebon 21:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed and deleted. The whole "here's a wiki rendition of my entire kol character sheet" personal pages are contentious enough, but I don't want this can of worms opened up. --Flargen 21:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Denwar/Ascensions

As per the deletion just above this I'll be moving my personal KoL stuff off of the wiki, so these pages will just atrophy if they are not deleted. Thanks. --Denwar 11:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

• Right now we've been allowing users to have those particular kind of things on their user pages. Not that I wouldn't like it if people moved them offsite. The ascension logs were just taking that to the next level, a level I/we didn't really want things to go to. If you still want them removed so you can put them offsite, that's fine and I or someone else can delete them for you. Just wanted to let you know that those are okay for now. --Flargen 18:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I understand that the remaining pages are acceptable but I'd rather not give myself two sets of pages to maintain. Deletion request stands, thanks. --Denwar 19:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Mr Accessory Crisis

Hardly a crisis deserving a main page article. Some guy somehow got a small pile of Mr. A's and spread 'em around. There's either a bug/'sploit or someone with with more meat than they need behind it, either way not a crisis. --Lordebon 15:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Don Seagulli

This is just some player in game that someone made up. If they want a page of their made up stuff they can make an account. --Lordebon 04:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate images

• :Image:Voltat.gif (at least a non-animated version of the actual tat Image:vol_tat.gif)
• :Image:Sugarmag.GIF (see Image:sugarmag.gif the ending does matter)
• :Image:SlimeHole-Bucket.gif (see report on image page)

Cheers.--Toffile 21:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Snapshot Templates

• Template:Snapshot
• Template:Snapshot/SlimeTube
• Template:Snapshot/Familiars
• Template:Snapshot/Hobopolis
• Template:Snapshot/Skills
• Template:Snapshot/Trophies
• Template:Snapshot/Tattoos
• Template:Snapshot/War_Medals

These were originally brought up at Template talk:Snapshot. Personally I think they encourage something the wiki is not for: massive userpages detailing every minute aspect of characters in the game. In my opinion, these need to be nipped in the bud before they start getting heavily used. --Lordebon 05:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

• My post from the talk page is below, as I believe it applies to this as well. I thought these templates were a great solution to the problem of people making gigantic player profiles. These templates are specifically designed for the Mafia script, because it was spitting out 220 kilobyte wiki pages for every user who ran it. I thought that was excessive, and saw an easy way to make it much more efficient for the system. People have already gotten used to making their User pages this way, it's a bit late to "nip it in the bud before they start getting heavily used." A quick perusal of the User namespace reveals some of the largest pages on the wiki exist in there, and the number of them keeps growing. The templates are all compartmentalized, so they don't push huge amounts of data with a change. They also reduce a user page to about 10 kilobytes, allowing them to coexist peacefully with the Game pages, instead of hogging all the resources from them.--Terrabull 07:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

• I was the first person to create one of these templates. I did it in the effort to save the wiki lots of processing power and storage db space. There is now a Mafia script that creates an entire wiki page for skill charts and the like. I saw a potential for exploding page sizes. My User Page is 220 KB from this script, and I thought that would be excessive, especially once the script gained more use. I actually do know something about how wikis work, and this solution is more efficient than having hundreds of people running a Mafia script and posting pages that are hundreds of kilobytes.--Terrabull 07:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
  • The best way to save the wiki processing power and space is for these pages to be nuked from orbit and this practice abolished. Although I don't know if those are really concerns right now. That there is apparently a SCRIPT to create a large number of massive ego-inflating pages on the wiki, which add nothing to the wiki's purpose of cataloging the contents of the game from an external perspective (ie, not "this is what my character looks like in game, so this counts"; it doesn't count) seems tantamount to a coordinated attack on the wiki. If I wasn't practically inactive in the game and on the wiki right now, I would just nuke these templates and the user pages right now and verbosely admonish the script creator for the unholy hell he has unleashed upon us all. But since I'm inactive, I will simply give you all the evil eye and see what other admins say. --Flargen 08:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
    • I fully agree. It's a waste of space, and nobody's going to look at your page and give a shit about which hobo codes you have or how many times you've gone through the Slime Tube or whatnot. It's stupid. --Missingno 15:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
    • i was contributing to this on Template Talk:Snapshot forgive my lateness. my vote? nuke. warn. ban. --Evilkolbot 22:04, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Just to be fair, I don't think the pages are there to always serve pure vanity. There's a lot of state to keep track of in KoL, and the wiki is a very convenient place to do that for plenty of reasons. The templates should allow for caching/pre-compiling, minimizing costs, so the performance impact may not be very large in practice, and the economic cost probably depends on whether the people building such pages look at ads more or less. The main reason for removing them would be that they encourage pages outside or at the fringe of the scope of this wiki. --Fig bucket 22:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

• As I pointed out at Template talk:Snapshot, considering that User:Quietust includes his list of Wiki projects, his ascension history, and his skill lists with the comment "I am quite aware that some people find these sorts of lists to be highly annoying, but I don't particularly care - this isn't for YOU to read, but for my own reference", what, exactly, IS the distinction between including stuff for your own reference and "vanity"? What IS the wiki "for"?--Veracity 01:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
  • The templates encourage MASSIVE userpages and imply that such things are acceptable. When individual users do just a little bit (even take me -- I keep a skill chart for my own use) that's one thing. Having templates for it encourage people to do it. That is the difference between "tolerated but discouraged" and "accepted, even encouraged" --Lordebon 03:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
    • The script exists. If the templates are removed, the script could spit out wiki code to post the same content without them. Maybe all of those pages would get deleted for being too big. A script could be created to create a page like the user page Quietust has. Would those all be deleted? Would Quietust's page be left up just because it was there before everyone else did it? Large user pages aren't encouraged by the templates (the templates are unusable on their own), they're encouraged by the script, so merely deleting the templates won't really accomplish anything without a semi-clear policy. --Lostcalpolydude 04:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Using the templates, the SOURCE of the page is not "massive". The processed output may be quite large, but the only person who sees that is the person who looks at it; it is not a particularly heinous drain of resources on the Wiki to have a page full of template calls. It's too big for you? No problem - don't look at it and it will not offend your eye! I'm having a real hard time understanding how "individual users (even Lordebon)" having skill charts is OK, but when new people do it, somehow, it's not OK. Why is it OK for Lordebon and Quietust to have skill charts, but not others? It's obviously not just the raw size of the page, since Quietust also has an Ascension History with 180 or so ascensions detailed. And what about those who say "nobody's going to look at your page and give a shit about xxx"? Regarding his own page, Quietust says "I don't particularly care - this isn't for YOU to read, but for my own reference." How does this not also apply to people putting up their own hobo codes or tattoos or whatever? You complain that the scripted templates "imply that such pages are acceptable." Nope. Previously existing pages, like those of Quietust and Lordebon, already imply that. The templates merely provide a more server-friendly way to create such pages. I agree with lost: if there is a problem with these scripted-template pages, let's have a policy stating what is acceptable - preferably one with rational arguments behind it, rather than vague "this isn't what some people think the Wiki is for."--Veracity 05:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
      • I suppose I could probably try to justify the ascension history/skill table on my user page by pointing out that they contain additional information not available in-game (namely, which skill was taken during each run, along with occasional comments), but you probably don't much care - if it bothers you that much, I'll just delete them entirely and host them offsite. --Quietust (t|c) 01:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
        • Way to miss the point. The point is that even the admins want a feature like this. If there is a way to do it that allows people to have their vanity/memo pages and not endanger the life of the wiki, why must you all create a fuss? I created these templates because I wanted to help out. I wanted to avoid a conflict between the users and the admins. I see now that is impossible. There are no accepted, or even proposed standards regarding user pages. You admins are becoming power hungry. If YOU want to remove all user pages and choose to host yours off site, that is your decision as an admin. Don't blame users for following the example set by the admins.--Terrabull 02:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• Look, I can't be arsed with arguing with people over the internet. These templates are mine, the script is mine. If you don't want the templates, delete them, and I'll have the script spit out the raw wiki code. If you don't want people to have large user pages, delete all of our user pages that have our skills and trophies in and that be the end of it. But don't leave me hanging - let me know what you're going to do. bumcheekcity 09:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
  • The point of this protracted and contentious discussion (which is occurring on at least one other page), is to decide what we're going to do. There is some precedent for templates for the user space. Almost all of them have been deleted due to no one using them. There is the {{clan}} template, though. In particular, there's even a category for user space templates. The issue here is with the scope and extent of the content being placed on the user pages. If no one had issues with their appropriateness, then these templates would be the perfect solution for homogenization and size reduction. But I don't care about the templates. I care about the very thing they are used for. {{clan}} is a very small, very minor addition to a page. A little bit of vanity, perhaps, but it's a small, tasteful amount. These "every last detail about my character" pages are much more expansive, and at best inobviously tasteful. And the trend would obviously be to expand their scope ever further, to whatever little niches they don't currently cover (consumption lists?), or are suddenly invented by Jick. And that's a worrisome thing. --Flargen 05:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, change of plan. Just delete the pages, I can't be bothered to deal with this shit. bumcheekcity 18:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Arguably, if you considered the templates to be yours, then you shouldn't have created them in the global namespace - unless a template has a clear benefit for the wiki as a whole, it will generally require some sort of admin approval (which you clearly did not obtain in this case). --Quietust (t|c) 01:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Arguably these were made in the "Template" namespace, not global. Also, they are in the "Test Template" category. Before starting one of these I did a lot of searching around on the various rules pages on the wiki, and the rule I found was "Make them in Test Templates." If this is not correct, don't blame us. It is your poor organization or lack of rules, and we were only trying to help out the wiki.--Terrabull 02:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• Excluding the quixotic lengthy user page discussion, I would rather see these templates moved into user space, rather than outright deleted. Template namespace should be restricted to stuff that gets used in main article space. Besides, there's little difference as it stands anyway...you can still script templates for transclusion and test them in user space. Even if you wanted to keep the ease of the template bumcheek, but would like to remove the transclusion, that's what "subst:" is for.--Toffile 01:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• In the time it took you to form your sub-committee, have your cups of tea and decide what to do, I rewrote the script to automatically update to my server. I'm sorry that you're all so horrified at the prospect that people might just like to show off what they have and see what they need to get, so they're not there anymore - I wouldn't want it spoiling your nice neat website. Delete the templates if to do so would please you (it's irrelevant from my point of view). I'm not angry, though I am a little exasperated. We're not hurting anyone by having large lists of items on our userpages, but you think it's ugly and unseemly so all the toys are out of the pram and it's not allowed. You do appear to be massively missing the point of a Wiki. bumcheekcity 17:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
  • whining about the democratic process is really to miss the point. next time i see something of yours i disagree with i'll summarily delete it, and ban you for life just for the hell of it.
  • i am, however, grateful to you for bringing up the thorny subject of big ass-user pages. i am, of course, not a fan. this all comes down to a question of resources. if you can drive your 220kb SUV of a page it's only because other people don't. we are faced with the possibility of every user taking advantage of these mafia scripts to bloat the sketch of their e-penis to enormous size. large pages with large numbers of edits bring the wiki to its knees. i understand that your templates were an attempt to mitigate this somewhat. to return to the spectacularly rubbish SUV analogy, this rather like requiring the installation of catalytic converters. no use, since it's the whole idea of everyone taking up so much dataspace and bandwidth that's the crux of it.
  • we've go to decide whether a ballooning of every user page to micromanagement levels is something desirable of even tolerable.
  • or, perhaps, we don't, and can leave it until it becomes a problem.
  • my advice, though, as ever, is to get ourselves a Policy, and apply it even-handedly. by policy i mean 32k or smaller in your user space including sub-pages, and by apply i mean nuke, warn, ban. --Evilkolbot 20:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, that was bitchy. Forgive me, I've just had an arse of a day. Certainly a policy lets everyone know where they stand, and it would be a good idea. As I say, you can feel free to delete the templates, they are now not needed. bumcheekcity 22:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• I personally think the only people who have the right to have user pages deleted are those who operate the server. You kids are complaining about kilobytes of server space. I don't care how little space is left on it, maybe if every user on KoL had a 220kb page, it might actually MATTER, but the fact is the number of users on the wiki is insignificant in terms of memory space. I'll keep my ~30kb user page. And I'd really appreciate it if the hermit didn't whine at me every time I edit it. You kids need to stop being so anal. If you want to be so damn serious about a game, go play Evercrap. --Noogles 03:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• • So you're not serious about the game, and spent "hours of tedious work" creating a ~30kb vanity user page from scratch on a third party website...by accident?--P4n1q 03:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• • • Ah, and I see you derive personal satisfaction from being a jerk to others. Or was that by accident, as well? --Noogles 00:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
      • All irrelevent. The purpose of this wiki is not to give users a space where they can post volumes of characater information. The administrators of the wiki decided to no longer tolerate it, and User:Bumcheekcity came up with a very simple solution to it -- easy hosting elsewhere that can get your info right from game via Mafia. In fact, that's actually easier to keep updated. --Lordebon 16:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

from Template talk:Snapshot

Excuse me, but uh, what are these, and why do they exist? --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 08:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

• Some description/usage would be nice. But apparently these are templates to generate the tables people include on their personal pages for tracking their in-game progress. --Fig bucket 12:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
  • isn't this the kind of thing we're trying to avoid. i know very little about the inner workings of the wiki, but pushing a big ass-template if everyone's using it will bring it to its knees, no? perhaps this should be include only. --Evilkolbot 16:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
    • I honestly don't think these templates should remain, especially since they only encourage people to make overly huge user pages (often spanning into subpages, just like these templates) that do nothing more than mirror their in-game profiles. It's one thing to include skill charts and annotated ascension histories, but the familiar/trophy/tattoo lists just seem a bit excessive (tattoo lists are about the only ones I would understand, since you can't view them in-game) and would be better as just plaintext lists. --Quietust (t|c) 17:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
      • I agree. From what I can tell, the only one of these even used by anybody is the slimetube one, and that by one single person. These really are not necessary. --Lordebon 18:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

• I was the first person to create one of these templates. I did it in the effort to save the wiki lots of processing power and storage db space. There is now a Mafia script that creates an entire wiki page for skill charts and the like. I saw a potential for exploding page sizes. My User Page is 220 KB from this script, and I thought that would be excessive, especially once the script gained more use. I actually DO know something about how wikis work, and this solution is more efficient than having hundreds of people running a Mafia script and posting pages that are hundreds of kilobytes.--Terrabull 07:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
• user pages are a privilege and not a right. if people did start posting 220k pages then something would have to be done. being me, the something i'd push for would be a hard limit on page size, (grudgingly 32k since that's easier to police but i'd be happier with 10k) and bans for those who refused to pay ball. posting mafia output here is a giganticly dumb idea. really offensive. the point is, NO-ONE CARES. if making mummy proud is so important to you, follow thraeryn and epeterso2 and build your own repository. just don't put it on the wiki. --Evilkolbot 11:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Exactly -- maybe those that like ginormous userpages should set up a website catering to every minute detail, but the wiki is not the place for it. --Lordebon 15:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
• Regarding the big ascension history on his own page, User:Quietust wrote:

"I am quite aware that some people find these sorts of lists to be highly annoying, but I don't particularly care - this isn't for YOU to read, but for my own reference."

No disconnect between that statement and the outrage I see from others about these templates, is there? Certainly no hypocrisy?

Using templates, the actual storage on the Wiki is minimized. Processing to expand them may be significant, but that only comes into effect when somebody looks at the page.

What, exactly, IS the problem? Is there a document, somewhere that I have not seen, that says what is and is not "allowed" for a person's personal page here?--Veracity 00:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

• The problem is using the wiki for non-wiki purposes, and the general snowball effect. These user pages started off fairly simple and innocent, and have rapidly expanded to much larger, much more detailed, much more...comprehensive, they would probably say, pages. As for a clear statement as to what content is allowed on a personal page, I don't think we have one. It has mostly been a "do what you will, within reason". "Reason" was conveniently never specified, other than that it clearly included "don't piss off the admins", but you could say the contention here is that these pages stretch or exceed it, and threaten to blow right past it if left unchecked. I don't think they cause any processing issues for the wiki, so we don't really need to harp on that. --Flargen 00:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Club userspace pages

• User:Club/Custom_Outfits
• User:Club/Collector_Score
• User:Club/Discoveries
• User:Club/Skills

Following Quietust's lead, I moved a bunch of stuff off-site. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 00:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Finalheaven63/more

Not much use for it, it's just nothing for me now. ДҖ--Finalheaven63^talk 19:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

User:IceColdFever

I'm now using bumcheekcity's solution. Please Delete my user page.--IceColdFever 14:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Magicboy7111

Essentially advertisement for a user in the main namespace. --Lordebon 00:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Table of Potion Effects

I want to see if anybody else thinks it's useless. --CG1:t,c,e 01:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• Like a screen door on a submarine. --TechSmurf 02:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Data:Green BRICKO block

Followed a broken link, made the page without double checking the item name. Sorry about that. --Johnny Treehugger 15:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Irregular/Leprechaun

The page is DOA, since Featured Articles is mostly dead. --20:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Datavortex/DatavortexOutfits

Just became aware of the new policy about big user pages and I am currently cleaning up all my junk. Please just nuke this sub-page for now, I am working on moving the rest of the content elsewhere. Thanks! --DV 20:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

A few more ready to go

User:Datavortex/DatavortexTrophies
User:Datavortex/DatavortexTattoos
User:Datavortex/DatavortexMedals
User:Datavortex/DatavortexFamiliars
User:Datavortex/RoorSkills
This should be most of it. --DV 19:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Maximizing Your Tacos

1. it's entirely player-created content, for which there are better places that the wiki.
2. it's neither relevant nor informative, the two criteria which override the previous objection.
3. it's just not funny. --Evilkolbot 19:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

• Since when aren't tacos relevant! It is pretty amusing, though I can see letting it slide be a gateway to other people doing similar pages, but far more useless and actually not funny. *shrug* --RoyalTonberry 20:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
  • inch-mile. yes. thank you. objection 4. --Evilkolbot 20:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
• I laughed at it. --TechSmurf 00:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Icon315/Tattoos

I don't need them anymore

Menacing thug‎ (delete | links), Talk (delete)

Same as Menacing Thug‎;--Icon315 05:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

• However, Menacing Thug is the incorrect spelling. It's all lowercase in-game. So that's the one that needs to be deleted. --Flargen 05:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Well then We need to move the Discussion page......Also if you say that it is all lowercase in-game, then we should move Menacing thug ====> menacing thug --Icon315 05:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
    • The wiki capitalizes the first letter of every page name. Thus all the Barrrnacle business, et al. --Flargen 05:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion Recommendations for User:Psy

• User:Psy
• User:Psy/MrItems
• User:Psy/Dungeons
• User:Psy/Skills
• User:Psy/Familiars
• User:Psy/Medals
• User:Psy/Hobopolis
• User:Psy/Slime Tube
• User:Psy/Tattoos
• User:Psy/Trophies
• User:Psy/Psych0/Hobopolis

Just noticed the recommendation for not hosting personal pages on the wiki any more. Moving it off site. --Psy 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Old subpages

List here. Everything but the skills subpage please. Figure I should clear them out anyway, even if the overhead to the wiki is infinitesimal at this point.--Toffile 17:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks.--Toffile 14:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Follow your hips

Someone's accidental spinoff that is already in the reflection of a map choice adventure tree.--Toffile 14:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

crescent wrench (delete | links)

This item has apparently been renamed to pipe wrench. —Yendor 06:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• If so, then the correct thing to do would be to delete pipe wrench and move crescent wrench. --Flargen 07:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Done. --Flargen 07:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Stuffed barbie blaster‎

Talk:Stuffed barbie blaster
Data:Stuffed barbie blaster I am really thinking this is a fake item.User:Icon315/sig

I second the motion --Magnet0 20:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Icon315/Item Drop

Not sure why i made it User:Icon315/sig

Apple Odyssey in Washington state‎

It's a spam! --Serin 19:44, 7 August 2011 (CEST)

TheKolWiki History

• :Category:Azimuth Tables
• Template:666 (delete | links)

Should these be deleted or should we archive them, like other stuff, into wiki history?--Dehstil (t|c) 18:19, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

• I'm kinda fond of 666 - it's not official KoL history, but I'd like to see it preserved somehow. The Azimuth Tables should probably be preserved so long as there is even the faintest chance of their being useful. I suppose history is as good a place as any. --Gymnosophist 19:13, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
• As far as I'm concerned, the azimuth tables have absolutely no further use on the wiki - the observatory is long gone, and it is likely never coming back. I say it's about time we cleared them out. --Quietust (t|c) 23:26, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
  • A piece of Grimace knocked loose by the comet has crashed into the azimuth tables, and obliterated them. --Flargen 00:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Full Moon Table Feb-May 2007

Are these particularly relevant now? --Bagatelle 12:37, 9 February 2008 (CST)

I say they are, because they are history of the kingdom --Noinamg 22:20, 13 February 2008 (CST)

• AWISE! I don't see how they're particularly relevant history. I don't see why {{666}} is history, either, but I'll tolerate that one. Moon tables make even less sense to me, especially since the pattern of the moons is well-known, and moon phases in the past, present, and future can always be calculated through external sites (or existing wiki templates). Anyone else care for these pages to remain, or can I fire at will? --Flargen 00:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hardcore Oxygenarian Strategy (delete | links), Talk (delete)

Rubbish. It has some hco-specific advice like "perm pulverise" and "make a meat maid", but otherwise is a normal hardcore guide. No redeeming value, at all. Lol wut 19:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

• the fact that a page is out of date doesn't mean it should be deleted, only rewritten. i vote it stays. --Evilkolbot 21:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  • and you're going to rewrite it? and no Lol wut
    • again, still no reason to delete what's there. this bee is in your bonnet, why not you? --Evilkolbot 21:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
      • because I don't want to argue with retards like you, obviously. since it has to be done, and I'm not going to do it, and you're not going to do it, who is going to do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lol wut (talk • contribs) on 11:44, 21 May 2009
        1. i think you'll find that "retard" is not the word you were searching for. perhaps "ban-happy martinet" would be more descriptive. be a little more civil or your days editing this wiki are numbered.
        2. there is a consensus that it needs doing, yes. unfortunately patience is the only virtue that will be of immediate use here. if you really, really, want to get done and really, really don't want to do it, then i suggest you apply the same skills as you would in real life, find someone who knows about it and persuade them they want to do it for you. tradesmen in real life only expect cash and are more than likely not to know anything about the thing your paying them for. i have a feeling that in this case, though, if you hang out in the AFH or HCO forums the opposite will be true: they know all there is to know but don't want anything you could give them. i wish you luck.
        3. sign your posts. --Evilkolbot 12:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
        • I like that, it's interesting. You've waited 2 years for nothing, so your patience hasn't paid off. I've already hung out in those forums, so that's done. I don't want to for the reason I said, but I will if you want me to, and will make it less painful than this. So, if you do me a favour, and think I know anything about the thing you're paying me for, then I will do it. Does that seem like it's worth doing at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lol wut (talk • contribs) on 17:42, 21 May 2009
          • sign your posts. seriously. last warning. --Evilkolbot 19:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
            • Unlikely. I asked you a question.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lol wut (talk • contribs)

Hellevator Music (delete | links), Talk (delete)

• duplicated page, needs to be checked for completeness of text first, though. --Evilkolbot 21:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I feel like the content should be on Hellevator Music, because it's technically the adventure page and has an image. --CG1:t,c,e 00:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

:Image:Kick em when theyre up thumb.GIF

Improperly named file. Extension should be lowercase, not uppercase.--Toffile 05:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• Gone, as Kick_em_when_theyre_up_thumb.gif is already available and now used on Trophy. I didn't fix the User page image links as I don't care about user pages, especially since trophies can be publicly displayed in-game on one's profile and so serve no purpose here. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 07:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Bat Hole

Unneeded redirect See Bat hole--Icon315♕ (☎|♤) 04:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Datavortex/DatavortexSkills

For User: pages cleanup. --DV 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:ZAP Slime Potions - Primary Colors

Duplicate of Template:ZAP Slime - Primary--TimRem 17:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

User:Melon (delete | links)

There's nothing on my user page anymore and never will be again, so it might as well be deleted. Save on wiki space and resources or whatever. Thanks. --Melon 16:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Island Barracks Clues

The clues are now on the Island Barracks page, and information should be updated there.--Mr. Green 18:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Lukejr2224

Vanity page--TimRem 17:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

On the same note, Image:Image-Custom.jpg (I can't find a way to add this to the delete template without the huge image showing up) --Melon 17:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Try this: :Image:Image-Custom.jpg --TimRem 17:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Prefacing a non-mainspace link with a colon will force MediaWiki to generate a link rather than go to the default.--Toffile 17:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Icon315/Outfits

User Request--Icon315 20:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Timrem/Preposition

User Request --timrem 23:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Consumables/BMFood

Now that Pride and Gluttony do not affect adventure gains from food, I think this page is unnecessary. --timrem 03:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

• I created that page. I agree, it's no longer necessary. Deletion would be in order. --RoyalTonberry 05:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Alas. It was a good page. Now it's a deleted page. --TechSmurf 06:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Icon315/sig

User request----Icon315♕ (☎|♤) 22:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Clan: Vampire Rock'N'Roll

Clan Pages Not Permitted----Icon315♕ (☎|♤) 22:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

:Image:Kill_gchicken.png

(Didn't provide delete template link since it'd insert the picture into this page). This image hasn't been used or linked from anywhere, and the person that uploaded it got banned for vandalism, I see no reason to keep it around. --RoyalTonberry 15:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed the template link for you. If you want to just link something that causes tranclusion, prefix the space name with a colon.--Toffile 18:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Silent Knight\PlannedAscensions

I don't know my forward slashes from my back slashes :/ --SilentKnight (#119812) 17:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Best Foods With Got Milk (adventures)

This page serves no real purpose after the change to Got Milk. Since it adds 1 adventure per fullness, it effectively adds 1 to each food's adv/full rating and thus does not change their rankings (when sorted by that standard). --Lordebon 17:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Might as well, only thing worth plausibly saving is the color scheme, but someone can think that up all over again. --Flargen 20:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Lxndr/War_Tracker

User request; helping to clean up user pages--Lxndr 21:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

CRIMBO Cubicles

Looks like an accidentally created page due to CRIMBO//CRIMBCO confusion. Currently just a redirect to the correctly spelt page --Doucy 00:05, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:Image:Pumpkinanim2.gif

2 intermediate gifs that were made before the huge and ginormous pumpkins were known about.--Toffile 07:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Data:A lowercase B

This page is a faulty duplicate of the proper page Data:Lowercase B. --Jong 12:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Dense meat stacks

Unnecessary plural redirect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Club (talk • contribs) on 7:38, 21 January 2011

Cornuthaums‎

not needed plural redirect.--Icon315♕ (☎|♤) 16:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I request a note be added in Established Standards stating that plural redirects are not allowed. This will prevent new wiki members from wasting time creating pages, and getting discouraged that their work is being undone. --BarkerJr 17:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe make a new topic for it on Discussion. Things were pretty mixed last time; although it was generally agreed that simple plurals weren't redirect-worthy, there was some support for odd plurals. There was no hard rule about it, thus nothing in Established Standards so far. --Lordebon 18:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

AA/* Templates

• Template:AA/Choice1
• Template:AA/Choice2
• Template:AA/Choice3
• Template:AA/Choice4
• Template:AA/Choice5
• Template:AA/TDCard
• Template:AA/CardPlay
• Template:AA/CardPlayRnd

This was an attempt to do select-without-replacement in creating an example Alice's Army gameplay. It works very nicely in testing off-site (some trivial template name changes made, and admittedly tested without the actual card images), but sadly on this wiki invoking even 2 levels of that nest causes the wiki to complain that the templates are too large and won't be included, and using the full nesting causes the wiki to time-out in various interesting ways. My off-site test is also on a more recent mediawiki, so perhaps template-parsing improvements were made to mediawiki after this wiki version. --Fig bucket 14:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Our mediawiki should be getting updated eventually. It's on a todo list, at least. My own thoughts on how to do such a thing as-is would be to just hardcode each card as able to appear in a unique rank. So you wouldn't get every conceivable set-up, but you'd get legitimate ones, and you could fiddle around so that the arrangements tend to be viable in-game. --Flargen 19:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Notes from the Elfocalypse Chapter V

Item names are actually Map to Safety Shelter Grimace Prime and Notes from the Elfpocalypse, Chapter V, respectively. --Johnny Treehugger 14:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Monster_Data_(S_to_T)

These two pages have been split out to separate pages.

• In the future, it would be best to preserve history and move the page to one of the new pages, rather than creating two entirely new pages. Say having moved this to Monster Data (S) first, then split off the T data onto its own page (or possibly cutting out the T stuff, giving that its own page, then moving the remainder to S). --Flargen 02:52, 9 August 2011 (CEST)

Farming Strategy

No real updates to this (deprecated) page have been made since 2007, its content long-since split between the boondoggles that are Basic Farming and Advanced Farming. Most of the content is out of date, I don't see much of a point in attempting to salvage this page, unless as part of some scheme to combine and refine the farming pages in one place.--Quackosaur 01:18, 1 August 2011 (CEST)

Crimbo Toys

This is a comparison table of the Crimbo Toys from 2005 to 2007. It was of limited use in 2007, and probably of no use now. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 03:03, 1 August 2011 (CEST)

• I...suppose this can go. I can imagine someone wanting to know their pet rock equivalents, but they're all pretty cheap and tend to be pretty easy to get to each other through links. And it's not like the toys ever did anything impressive. --Flargen 02:39, 9 August 2011 (CEST)

:Category:Floored Aventures

Misspelling of the proper category name. Unused. -- sulfur 19:09, 13 August 2011 (CEST)

Mowing Lawn Gnome

This seems like a pointless redirect, as the page it links to (Mowing lawn gnome) has a lowercase title. --Oneforfortytwo 21:17, 23 October 2011 (CEST)

User:Club/Losing stats

The Delevel page now has all of this. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 01:47, 7 September 2011 (CEST)

Data:Instant karma

Botched attempt at making Data:Instant Karma?--Quackosaur 18:46, 10 September 2011 (CEST)

Data:Frost Halo

This is a broken redirect. --Oneforfortytwo 21:17, 23 October 2011 (CEST)

Not anymore. Fixed it. --Wrldwzrd89 21:54, 23 October 2011 (CEST)u

Interview With You/Drain Her Dry

This page seems to have been created by accident; its former content is now on the Interview With You (Isabella) page. --Oneforfortytwo 04:57, 7 November 2011 (CET)

Inigo's Incantation of Inspiration (used)

This page seems to have been created by accident; its former content is now on the Inigo's Incantation of Inspiration (crumpled) page. --Oneforfortytwo 04:57, 7 November 2011 (CET)

The_Lolipop_Forest

The_Lolipop_Forest is a misspelling of The_Lollipop_Forest --Plater (t|c) 22:03, 1 December 2011 (CET)

Pair of pearidot earings

Mispelled page. —Yendor 10:20, 5 December 2011 (CET)

A Giant Candycane‎

Misspelled page. Needs real page started. --Erich 10:42, 5 December 2011 (CET)

Sucker saffold

Misspelled page. --Johnny Treehugger 17:06, 6 December 2011 (CET)

The Extra Ordinary Clan

Clan page--TimRem 17:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

File:Reoslve_greedy.gif

It seems I accidentally created a misspelled version of while I was trying to deal with the wiki being unresponsive to uploads. Or I'm just an idiot.--Quackosaur 18:56, 1 January 2012 (CET)

Skills Obtained From Multiple-Use Items (delete | links)

Both pages are obsoleted by Skills Obtained From Items. --Wrldwzrd89 18:37, 4 February 2012 (CET)

• I'd think a redirect might be in order, at least from Single-Use Items, since we've had the page for a few years and there may be external sites which link to it/users who have it bookmarked. --timrem 18:58, 4 February 2012 (CET)
  • Redirect solution implemented. Wrldwzrd89 20:08, 12 February 2012 (CET)

Ascension Aids

It's a table of requirements for the NS quest, identical to the one on the Naughty Sorceress Quest page, has a rewrite tag on it (even though it appears to be updated), and needs to be updated in the future, and was only linked from the NS page in mainspace (before I removed it). Lol wut 01:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

• it's formatted so that you can print it out and check things off as neeeded. i vote it's substantially different and adds enough value that it should stay. perhaps a rewrite is in order. --Evilkolbot 21:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Is the primary reason you want to keep Ascension Aids because of the [ ] that appear with each item? The table may be in a useful format, but doesn't appear to be overly useful, simply because of its lack of scope.--Foggy 00:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The House of Harold the Halfling (delete | links), Talk (delete)

Incomplete content; perhaps this intended to be part of the tutorial, but not finished? --Fig bucket 13:57, 7 August 2011 (CEST)

• It was legitimate content when it was added, though. Part of a bug/mistaken release, but I think it has all the same reasons to be here as that one page about the monkey whose proper name I can't remember. --Flargen
  • The Curious Monkey. --Evilkolbot 13:22, 9 August 2011 (CEST)
    • Maybe we should have a category for unreleased content, like the monkey, this, and various items that exist only because people have hacked them out of the database. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:19, 9 August 2011 (CEST)
      • Well, for items there's Category:Hacked Items. Though that wouldn't cover items that were found through unintentional content releases. --Flargen 22:57, 9 August 2011 (CEST)
        • I guess we don't have that category. Must just be a sub-heading of rare items or something. --Flargen 23:02, 9 August 2011 (CEST)
          • It's only a page. And it's just items, not adventures...in any case, categorizing/linking (or deleting) is ok by me, just as long as it doesn't just float around as an orphaned page...(and linking only from here shouldn't count as non-orphaned) --Fig bucket 01:56, 10 August 2011 (CEST)
            • What would we name a category for all of those things? "Category:Things that should not be known"? --Flargen 02:50, 10 August 2011 (CEST)
              • "Category:Unreleased Content"? "Category:Content Leak"? "Category:Leek Soup"? Well, just kidding about the last one. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 22:30, 10 August 2011 (CEST)
                • "Leaked Content" sounds fairly good. Would we categorize images that have been found through URL manipulations in this? GoldS and I found several of those a while back for sea content. TPTB have generally not always been happy with people making a public display of content found through such means. Minor content leaks, like I think this harold page is (just a revamp to existing content), they don't mind so much, especially when they know it is because of a specific mistake they made that made it visible through normal means. More significant content leaks, like finding images for altogether new content (such as some of the BRICKO images, say), that require methods outside of normal gameplay to find, they have generally gotten much more upset about being made public. So I guess this is also a question about wiki policy: do we allow the uploading and storage of images/pages for (seemingly) wholly new content that has yet to be released (but are publicly viewable on the image server), or do we quickly erase them and try to do our part to preserve the mystery and surprise? --Flargen 00:36, 11 August 2011 (CEST)
                  • I like "Leaked Content"; other variations are ok too (and leek soup..mmm). I'll vote no on adding the mined images though---it seems fair enough to include that stuff when it occurs in game-play, even briefly, but they obviously really dislike when others prematurely expose pre-release content that was intentionally hidden. --Fig bucket 01:21, 12 August 2011 (CEST)
                    • I've had items pre-release, and I know about a bunch of items that haven't come out yet, including images for some of them. If no one has the item, I don't think it appropriate to add. Those things could change before implementation. Single-Minty Gum anyone? On the other hand we know how item 666 came from, and then they went with it. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 05:38, 14 August 2011 (CEST)

:Category:Humanoid

Misnamed. --Fig bucket 13:23, 8 August 2011 (CEST)

Data:Spaghetti_Elemental

The Spaghetti Elemental has data files for its various forms, but this one is extraneous.--Foggy 09:40, 9 August 2011 (CEST)

• Actually, it's needed for The Dark and Dank and Sinister Cave (NS11). Though the data is the same as the Inner Sanctum version, so I can just change it to be a redirect to that data page. Or change the page to specifically point to the inner sanctum version rather than the original location. I've just been going the redirect route so far, for no particular reason. --Flargen 10:55, 9 August 2011 (CEST)
  • I forgot to mention that I solved this problem a while ago by making the page a redirect. --Oneforfortytwo 23:34, 27 May 2012 (CEST)

Mysteries

This page has been around for a long time, and yet really doesn't offer anything. Most of the items listed should be tagged as NeedsSpading on their own pages.--Foggy 16:49, 7 September 2011 (CEST)

Main Page Makeover Example

This is very old, and now outdated. --Oneforfortytwo 21:17, 23 October 2011 (CEST)

Run Away/new2

These two pages are useless, and serve no purpose. --Oneforfortytwo 21:17, 23 October 2011 (CEST)

Hardcore item analysis

There wasn't any update after the day the page was created (14 Sep. 2010) and even back then, it was incomplete. Most of the topics on the talk-page are "do we really need it?" (I would have completely forgotten about it, but just happened to update a very similar page.)

At least in its current form, the page is no help to anybody. --Yatsufusa 20:00, 28 December 2011 (CET)

Template:OuchTest

Test template. Not useful anymore, as nothing makes use of it and the change it was intended to test has been committed. --Wrldwzrd89 20:04, 15 February 2012 (CET)

Song of Glorious Lunch

This effect was renamed to Song of the Glorious Lunch to match the skill name. There was already an effect page with that name, so I copied over text that wasn't already there and moved the Data page. This page now has no reason to exist. --Terion 06:29, 25 February 2012 (CET)

Data:Song of the Glorious Lunch

This is a metadata page for a disambiguation page which doesn't make any use of the metadata page. There are already metadata pages for the separate skill and effect. --Terion 06:40, 25 February 2012 (CET)