Talk:Sewer Tunnel
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Grates
So, currently, I'm theorizing that each grate gives a 5% chance of passing the grate test. All my evidence is anecdotal at this point, but I recall making it through every grate when all 20 were opened, none when 0 were opened, and, uh, the appropriate amount when intermediate numbers were opened. --TechSmurf 01:14, 12 July 2008 (CDT)
Glyph Tests
I currently have 11/20 known glyphs, and pass the first glyph test every time, pass the second somewhat less than half, and fail the third every time. Again, more numbers forthcoming. --TechSmurf 01:21, 12 July 2008 (CDT)
- My clannie has 12, I've 13. We both always fail the 3rd glyph test. I always pass the 1st and 2nd. I believe he always passes the first and second as well. --Flargen 01:25, 12 July 2008 (CDT)
Sewer Exploring Datas
So. The current working theory I've heard is that you need ~100 "points" to get through the sewers. Killing a monster gets you 1 point. Exploring gets you more, obviously. A few people in my clan have gotten through via boosting combats to 100% in ~100 turns. I'm assuming there's some variance in the number of points needed. I've broken down my sewer exploration data in two ways-- by amounts of each test passed (assuming each test is weighted differently), and by number of tests passed (assuming more tests passed per exploration yields more points):
- Nugget of info: Images advance every 13 points (100/8=12.5). Backed up by killing 13 monsters to go from 1 to 2 sewer images on the second dive. --TechSmurf 02:25, 14 July 2008 (CDT)
11 Glyphs 6 Grates open, water lowered 5 times 4 Chum, 5 Goldfish, 3 Gator 8 Grates open, water lowered 7 times 1 Chum, 3 Goldfish The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (O), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 3 SEWERS OPEN 11 Grates, water lowered 10 times Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 4 SEWERS OPEN 4 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 4 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 5 SEWERS OPEN 2 Chum, 3 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 6 SEWERS OPEN Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (O), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 7 SEWERS OPEN 2 Chum, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 8 SEWERS OPEN 1 Gator Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) FREEDOM ! Combats: 34 Iron Bars- 2 CHUM- 6 Drunken CHUM- 3 Goldfish- 2 Sewage Pipe- 2 3 Tunnels - 8 Ladders-7 3 ladders- 0 Grate- 5 1: 4 2: 5 3: 4 4: 4 5: 4 6: 4 7: 4 8: 4
11 Glyphs 4 Grates opened, water levels lowered 0 times 4 Chum, 3 Goldfish, 5 Gator, 1 Chum Chieftan 2 SEWERS OPEN 2 Chum, 6 Goldfish, 4 Gator The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 3 SEWERS OPEN Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 4 SEWERS OPEN 2 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 4 Gator Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 5 SEWERS OPEN 3 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 6 SEWERS OPEN 8 Grates opened, water level lowered 0 times 2 Goldfish, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 7 SEWERS OPEN 3 Chum, 3 Goldfish, 3 Gator The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 8 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 1 Gator FREEDOM! Combats: 48 3 Tunnels - 6 Iron Bars- 2 CHUM- 4 Ladders- 6 Drunken CHUM- 1 Goldfish- 2 Sewage Pipe- 3 3 ladders- 6 Grate- 3 1: 5 2: 4 3: 4 4: 4 5: 5 6: 5
11 Glyphs 12 Grates opened, water lowered 5 times The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 2 Goldfish 2 SEWERS OPEN 2 Goldfish The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 3 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 4 SEWERS OPEN 2 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 5 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 6 SEWERS OPEN The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish 7 SEWERS OPEN 2 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 8 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 2 Chum Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (O), Ladder (X), Iron Bars (O), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) FREEDOM! Combats- 18 3 Tunnels- 10 Iron Bars- 5 CHUM- 3 Ladders- 9 Drunken CHUM- 5 Goldfish- 4 Sewage Pipe- 1 3 ladders- 0 Grate- 7 1: 5 2: 5 3: 5 4: 5 5: 5 6: 5 7: 4 8: 4 9: 3 10: 3
11 Glyphs 0 Grates opened, water lowered 0 times 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 2 Gator Disgustin' Junction- Open Grate 1 Grate opened, water lowered 0 times 2 Chum, 1 Goldfish 2 Gator Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Iron Bars (O), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) Disgustin' Junction- Open Grate 2 Grates opened, water lowered 0 times 1 Gator 2 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish 2 Gator The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) 2 Chum, 1 Gator 3 SEWERS OPEN 15 Grates opened, water lowered 12 times 1 Goldfish, 3 Gator The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 4 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), Drunken CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 5 SEWERS OPEN 20 Grates opened, water lowered 14 times 3 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 4 Gator 6 SEWERS OPEN 1 Gator The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 1 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Goldfish (X), Ladder (X), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 7 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Sewage Pipe (X), Ladder (X), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 1 Gator 8 SEWERS OPEN (?) 1 Goldfish The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) FREEDOM!
11 Glyphs 17 Grates opened, water lowered 13 times 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 2 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladder (O), Grate (X) 1 Chum 3 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum, 2 Goldfish, 2 Gator Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), CHUM (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 4 SEWERS OPEN 3 Chum, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Goldfish (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 5 SEWERS OPEN 1 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Sewer Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 6 SEWERS OPEN 1 Gator Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 7 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 8 SEWERS OPEN The Former or the Ladder- 3 Tunnels (X), Iron Bars (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (O), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) FREEDOM!
11 Glyphs 16 Grates opened, water lowered 20 times 2 Goldfish, 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (X), Drunken CHUM (X), Ladder (X), Sewage Pipe (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 2 SEWERS OPEN 0 Glyphs Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (O), CHUM (X), Ladder (O), Drunken CHUM (O), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (O) Disgustin' Junction- 3 Tunnels (O), Sewage Pipe (O), Ladder (O), Iron Bars (X), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 3 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 1 Gator 3 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum Chieftain Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- 3 Tunnels (O), Goldfish (O), Ladder (O), Sewage Pipe (O), 3 Ladders (O), Grate (X) 3 Goldfish, 3 Gator 4 SEWERS OPEN 1 Goldfish Disgustin' Junction- CHUM (X), Grate (X) [Going in with no sewer items-- only test passable is grate] 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish The Former or the Ladder- Grate (X) 5 SEWERS OPEN 1 Goldfish The Former or the Ladder- Grate (X) 2 Chum, 3 Goldfish 6 SEWERS OPEN 1 Gator Disgustin' Junction- Grate (X) 1 Chum, 2 Goldfish, 4 Gator 7 SEWERS OPEN 1 Goldfish, 1 Gator The Former or the Ladder- Grate (X) Somewhat Higher and Mostly Dry- Iron Bars (X), Grate (X) 8 SEWERS OPEN 1 Chum, 1 Goldfish, 2 Gator The Former or the Ladder- Grate (X) 1 Goldfish FREEDOM!
If anyone feels like having a go at analyzing these numbers, be my guest. I'm too tired at the moment to draw anything sensible from them. Also, grate data, which I'll be updating with each run. Feel free to add your own, too. --TechSmurf 04:52, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
Grate Data
| Grate Opened | Grates Passed | Grates Failed | Success Rate | Predicted Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0 | 21 | 0% | 0% |
| 1 | 0 | 2 | 0% | 5% |
| 2 | 1 | 2 | 33.3% | 10% |
| 3 | 0 | 0 | / | 15% |
| 4 | 1 | 3 | 25% | 20% |
| 5 | 2 | 7 | 28.5% | 25% |
| 6 | 0 | 0 | / | 30% |
| 7 | 0 | 0 | / | 35% |
| 8 | 19 | 10 | 65.5% | 40% |
| 9 | 0 | 0 | / | 45% |
| 10 | 8 | 13 | 38% | 50% |
| 11 | 4 | 3 | 57.1% | 55% |
| 12 | 14 | 5 | 73.6% | 60% |
| 13 | 0 | 0 | / | 65% |
| 14 | 0 | 0 | / | 70% |
| 15 | 9 | 5 | 64.3%% | 75% |
| 16 | 10 | 1 | 90.9% | 80% |
| 17 | 7 | 1 | 87.5% | 85% |
| 18 | 0 | 0 | / | 90% |
| 19 | 6 | 0 | 100% | 95% |
| 20 | 32 | 0 | 100% | 100% |
I dont know how to add this, 10 grates opened, 4 success 10 fail--Alabit 00:22, 8 September 2008 (CDT)
Glyph Data
| Hobo Codes | 3 Tunnels Passed | 3 Tunnels Failed | Success Rate | Ladders Passed | Ladders Failed | Success Rate | 3 Ladders Passed | 3 Ladders Failed | Success Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 1 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 2 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 3 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 4 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 5 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 6 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 7 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 8 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 9 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 10 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 11 | 68 | 0 | 100% | 55 | 13 | 80.9% | 0 | 68 | 0% |
| 12 | 19 | 0 | 100% | 19 | 0 | 100% | 0 | 19 | 0% |
| 13 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 14 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 15 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 16 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 17 | 28 | 0 | 100% | 28 | 0 | 100% | 16 | 25 | 39% |
| 18 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
| 19 | 1 | 0 | 100% | 1 | 0 | 100% | 1 | 0 | 100% |
| 20 | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / | 0 | 0 | / |
- Added data from some of my own runs. --Flargen 01:03, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
- 1st tunnel: 3 glyphs. 2nd tunnel: 9 glyphs. 3rd tunnel: didn't pass :'(--The ErosionSeeker 20:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Valve Data
All data on this particular table is with -15% noncombats. I'm unsure if the CHUM cage is counted as a regular noncombat or not, so I've listed it in parentheses after my noncom count, and calculated it in parentheses in the combat rate. --TechSmurf 06:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
| Valves | Combats | Noncoms | Combat Rate (+15%) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 24 | 12 (2) | 81.6% (78.1%) |
| 1 | / | / | / |
| 2 | / | / | / |
| 3 | / | / | / |
| 4 | 11 | 8 (2) | 72.9% (67.3%) |
| 5 | / | / | / |
| 6 | / | / | / |
| 7 | / | / | / |
| 8 | 30 | 9 (3) | 91.9% (86.4%) |
| 9 | / | / | / |
| 10 | / | / | / |
| 11 | / | / | / |
| 12 | / | / | / |
| 13 | / | / | / |
| 14 | / | / | / |
| 15 | / | / | / |
| 16 | / | / | / |
| 17 | / | / | / |
| 18 | / | / | / |
| 19 | / | / | / |
| 20 | / | / | / |
More Data
I've only just got my code binder, so I don't have data on how that affects things. But here's what my data seems to show:
- 1 bonus adventure for passing the oil (iron bars) test (but failing the grate test)
- 3 bonus adventures for passing the grate test
- 5 bonus adventures for passing the grate and one item test
- 6 bonus adventures for passing the grate and two item tests
Here's my data:
Dumpling (X), Oil (X), Grate (O) Ooze-o (X), Umbrella (O), Grate (O) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (O) Dumpling (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (O) Dumpling (X), Umbrella (O), Grate (O) Dumpling (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) 73 combats 8 tunnels
Umbrella (X), Oil (X), Grate (X) Dumpling (X), Umbrella (X), Grate (X) Umbrella (X), Oil (X), Grate (X) Dumpling (X), Oil (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Umbrella (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Dumpling (X), Grate (X) 44 combats 8 tunnels
Wad (X), Oil (X), Grate (X) Umbrella (O), Oil (X), Grate (X) Dumpling (O), Oil (X), Grate (O) Ooze-o (X), Wad (X), Grate (X) Wad (X), Oil (X), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Umbrella (O), Grate (O) Umbrella (O), Oil (X), Grate (X) Dumpling (O), Wad (X), Grate (X) Dumpling (O), Umbrella (O), Grate (X) Ooze-o (X), Umbrella (O), Grate (X) 48 combats 10 tunnels
--Dweasel 01:48, 15 July 2008 (CDT)
- Awesome! Thanks. You'll win some superpoints if you fill in some of the low-glyph success rates on the chart, too, if you can. --TechSmurf 02:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT)
First run with a binder (but no items).
3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (X) 59 combats 7 tunnels
The obvious numbers to take from this are that grate + 3 tunnels = 5 adventures, grate + 3 tunnels + ladder = 8 adventures.
I'll take some items next time. --Dweasel 00:52, 16 July 2008 (CDT)
- Woo. How many codes do you have for your binder? --TechSmurf 03:22, 16 July 2008 (CDT)
More data, and it's weird. Went through with just a code binder (11 codes), though I stupidly forgot it for the first tunnel. Only a couple of grates were open, and I opened a couple during my run.
3 Tunnels (O) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 71 combats 9 tunnels
As you can see, the numbers don't add up. I'm starting to think that the number of grates that your clan has opened affects the point values, and since I opened grates during my run, the point values changed. --Dweasel 01:40, 22 July 2008 (CDT)
- Actually, it adds up just fine -- you got 29 non-combat points from 7 times passing the 3 tunnels+ladder, and 1 time passing the 3 tunnels. Ergo, the 3 tunnels is worth 1 point and the ladder is worth 3 points. --PsyMar 03:28, 25 July 2008 (CDT)
- No, that would mean taking the tunnel and not passing any tests is worth zero points. On my second spade run (for which I didn't collect extra data so I'm going by the dungeon log and memory) I had 69 combats and 16 tunnels. I had no items or code binder, and I believe the grate was open on 4 or 5 of the tunnels. If the 11 or 12 tunnels I went down without the grate open didn't count, then that would mean just the grate alone is worth 6-8 points. And in later runs it's clear that the grate alone is worth no more than 4. --Dweasel 13:19, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
Another run, this time with 11 codes in my binder, all of the grates already open, and some items.
Dumpling (X) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Ooze-o (X) Wad (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Dumpling (X) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Oil (O) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Oil (O) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Wad (X) Oil (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Dumpling (X) Wad (X) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Oil (O) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (X) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) Dumpling (X) Umbrella (O) 3 Tunnels (X) Ladder (O) 3 Ladders (O) Grate (O) 17 combats 9 tunnels
--Dweasel 13:19, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
Great Egress
Is the P.T. Barnum reference verified? I've seen it in Terry Pratchett (same context) in Hat Full of Sky, and it seems odd that he would steal it in the same context. --Killerrabbit 17:09, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
It's rather famous. There's no way that someone as erudite as Pratchett wasn't purposefully referring to this flim-flam. --Bale 16:06, 28 July 2008 (CDT)
Terry Pratchett steals a lot of stuff. Not as much as Kingdom of Loathing, but the books are probably better-appreciated the more you know. --Raijinili 16:30, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
Failing the Three-ladder Test
It used to be possible to fail the final ladder test even with a full binder. Is that still the case, or has it changed?--Jett 11:30, 14 August 2008 (CDT)
Final message
I got "You squeegee yourself off, feeling like you're really starting to get the hang of navigating these sewers" when I passed only four tests. Perhaps it depends on how many "points" one earns rather than on how many tests one passes? --Baltar 06:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Larroquette
Uh ... what? John Larroquette in his role on Night Court as Dan Fielding played a slick, urbane womanizer. I watched the whole series over the last couple of months and he did NOT speak "amusing off-kilter English." This may be a reference to another John Larroquette role (though I honestly can't think of any time he's played a character who talked like a caveman) but it AIN'T his role on Night Court.--Yunatwilight 02:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
