Talk:Seal Clubber

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"Seal Clubbing"

The class description refers to the common cliché among role playing games which often have one character class like a Nord or something. Oh, there has to be a better way to phrase that. --Atlantima 18:00, 25 Sep 2005 (MDT)

The class name is not a UHF reference. Clubbing seals is the stereotyped practice of fur hunters and a standard piece of anti-fur imagery. I am going to change this pending any kind of evidence that UHF is somehow involved specifically. -Ben San Arizona 15 Oct 2005

I know this is very late coming, seeing how the previous post was in october of last year, but is it right to say stereotypical. From my limited understanding of fur trapping clubbing is the most used method for seals because seals havent developed as much of a fear of humans as many animals yet and doesn't damage the pelt.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 07:40, 23 April 2006 (CDT)(ps also categorized stuff on this talk page by adding some headings)

  • In reference to the same comment, I know it was added three years ago, but it definitely doesn't seem right to me. Why use "stereotyped"? It would be like saying baseball is a stereotype of a sport that's played in America. Seal clubbing really does happen. You can look up the laws and regulations guiding what tools hunters are allowed to use, and the steps that must be taken to minimize brutality. Furthermore, the language is incredibly non-neutral, with phrases like "seized upon" and "apparent brutality". It's clear the author believes information about the brutality of seal hunting has been sensationalized by animal rights groups.
  • I suggest a much more neutral phrasing, something simple like, "Seal clubbing is the practice of hunting seals with a blunt tool, such as a club or a hakapik," perhaps with links to Wikipedia. I'm not sure if anything else is necessary. If so, I wouldn't hesitate to say that seal clubbing is brutal, and that it's used by animal rights group as an example of brutality (although not necessarily cruelty) towards animals. It's hard for me to escape my seal-loving slant, but when there are laws about how to go about cracking open the animal's skull with a blunt object and then poking it in the eye to check if its reflexes are gone, sorry, I think that's pretty objectively brutal as hunting goes. And just imagine what it was like _before_ the regulations were in place.
  • So how about this as a suggestion: "Seal clubbing is the practice of hunting seals with a blunt tool, such as a club or a hakapik. It is a rather brutal form of hunting, and as such is popular imagery for both animal rights groups as well as black humor jokes." I don't know if that's 100% neutral, but it looks a lot better to me than what's there currently. Opinions? --Wotvar 07:20, 6 January 2008 (CST)

Castle Giants

Glebs added a reference saying that the part of the description that says you'll be stronger "especially when fighting guys with beards" could refer to the Giants in the Castle. AndyAnime then removed that reference, saying "Um, no. AFAIK, the giants have never done anything to anger reindeer." Andy apparently missed the fact that all the Giants in the Cloud Castle have beards.

This raises an interesting question: does Rage of the Reindeer actually help you more against the Giants than against non-bearded monsters? Or is that line solely a joke about Santa Claus? Since we have no data yet, I figured this belonged here on the Talk page rather than in the article itself. -- Old Ned 03:46, 22 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

  • I've been LTSing my way through the castle with rage for a few ascensions, and I haven't noticed anything unusual. I'll keep an eye out this run, but I highly doubt Rage does anything special against the bearded giants. --Ricket 06:39, 22 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)
  • Fighting guys with beards? OMG U KILL DA HERMIT WID DIS!!!!111

Seriously, I think it's just a joke.--Someone Else 08:31, 15 April 2006 (CDT)

OMG they Stack!

Does Hide of the Otter Stack with Hide of the Walrus? Does Claws of the Otter stack with Claws of the Walrus?? Should this not be reflected accordingly somewhere? --Iason 09:08, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

Of course those skills stack lol. If they didn't then it would say so in their descriptions.--Exdeath 12:39, 22 April 2006 (CDT)

Thrust Smacks

  • Do thrust smacks count as a spell or no? I know its just doubling your regular damage, but its using MP and stuff, so if a had an item that increases spell damage, would it increase my thrust smack damage or no?

Class Revamp

Now that the class gets a total of thirty skills, and presumably other classes will also get thirty in turn, I think it would be best to archive the page into Seal Clubber/Old before we revamp the class page. --Megustalapasta (talk) 04:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I copied the old version of the page to that location. --Prestige (talk) 07:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

As I understand this, Thirst and Batter Up should trade places, but I can't confirm that myself right now. --Yatsufusa (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)