Talk:Prehistoric spear

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When attempting to fight with the spear against one of the cave elves... it never seems to hit. Anyone else finding this? --Gleezus 09:37, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Yes it does work. I'm a Disco Bandit right now, and I'm dual wielding 2, and hitting every time. They are ranged weapons, not melee weapons. --Rithe 10:44, 1 December 2006 (CST)


Considering the content of the item description, I'd say the Pratchett reference was purely coincidental. Is there any context that it actually applies under, other than being a word that is used by a character? --Psynn 01:10, 2 December 2006 (CST)

  • I think all references listed referring to "wossnames" should be removed unless further evidence/similarity to this item is found/added. "Wossnames" according to both and, of course, wikipedia, both return the same definition for a "wossname".
    A placeholder name is used to refer to an object whose name is either irrelevant or unknown in the context which it is being discussed. These placeholders typically function grammatically as nouns, and can be used for people (e.g. John Doe), objects (e.g. Widget), or places (e.g. Timbuktu). They share a property with pronouns because their referents must be supplied by context.
  • Other given examples of placeholder names for items are "doo-hickey", "widget", "kerjigger", "whatsit" (often spelled "wotsit"), and "whatsitsname" (British form of whatchamacallit) (the alternative, phonetic spelling "wossname" was devised by British humorist Alan Coren in the 1970s). So just because Jick (or whoever wrote the description) used a word that is used in many other places does not make it a distinct reference to any of of those specific cases, or anything more than just an a coincidence (without further evidence). --JRSiebz (|§|) 01:11, 3 December 2006 (CST)
    • I disagree. I think that the Sandman reference is pretty much indisputable within the context of this usage of 'wossnames'. It's the more general Pratchett reference(s) that I consider to be more an irrelevant coincidence than direct referencing. --Psynn 13:22, 5 December 2006 (CST)
  • Well everybody knows Prachett.. but I say they should all stay on the page- no harm having more. --Thoby123 09:41, 4 December 2006 (CST)
    • Wrong - totally, completely wrong. The harm is that it's inaccurate, and this is an encyclopedia. Entries in reference lists should be restricted (and oh, how I wish this rule was better followed) to clear-cut cases of intentional allusion to whatever is in question - not whatever funny random pop culture thing the phrase happens to make you think of.
On that note, although I can see an argument for the Last Continent interpretation, I'm definitely going to argue for the removal of the supposed Eric reference - many, many of Pratchett's books include the word. (Two of the best examples that come to mind at the moment: our first introduction to Sam Vimes, drunk in the gutter: "The city was a... wossname. Woman."; and someone, sometime else, stating that he had a "perfect wossname. Starts with 'm'. I never forget anything." --Id the Mildly Confused 18:55, 7 December 2006 (CST)
  • I've taken out the Eric reference, since the allusion to The Last Continent is far stronger, and we don't really need to include the same challenged reference to the same book series twice. I'm still not convinced that the word "wossname" should be accredited to Pratchett at all in this particular instance though... --Psynn 12:48, 18 December 2006 (CST)

I think wossname is a generally used term, but the made quite recently in prehistoric times is definitely Pratchett. That's where the reference comes from and adding wossnames into the reference is a step from that, but you shouldn't totally remove the Last Continent reference.

--Lippy 10:55, 14 December 2006 (CST)