Talk:Kneebutt

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I'm Kinda new too editing pages

So heres the attack text that goes along with the new kneebutt skill:

You hit for 171 damage. KAPOW! BARF! POW! ZOT! WHACK! BONK! SPLAT! BONK! ZAP! WHAMMO!

After that, you deliver a fierce knee to the groin (or groin-analogue) of your opponent, doing 14 extra damage. Your opponent doubles over in pain, and falls over. It's even more painful than a boot to the head (yah, yah.)

the text doesn't change and Damage is definitly dpendent on pants power it doesn't matter if your wearing a skirt, and if your pantsless, kneebutt will do one damage.

i don't know if kneebutt fails if your normal hit works

if anyone has anymore insight, post it so people can learn.


Lee XxLee1019 (#366750) Datcrazayniga@yahoo.com


I've done some precursory testing on the kneebutt damage/stun rate with different pairs of pants. Here's what I have so far. Every pair was tested twenty times, so the below represents 100 combats.

Star pants (165)/ damage range: 17-32/ average damage: 24.4/ stun rate: 55%

Snowboarder pants (120)/ damage range: 11-19/ average damage: 14.7/ stun rate: 35%

Ninja hot pants (70)/ damage range: 7-14/ average damage: 10.55/ stun rate: 60%

Bugbear bungguard (30)/ damage range: 3-7/ average damage: 5/ stun rate: 45%

Mariachi pants (10)/ damage range: 1-3/ average damage: 2.1/ stun rate: 30%

Total stun rate: 45%

it appears that the damage range is roughly equal to (power/10) to (power/5). Chance of stun doesn't seem to be affected by pants power.--Discordia 15:25, 18 March 2006 (CST)

pants name power estimated damage actual damage stuns
studded leather boxer shorts 20 2-4 2-4 7
frilly skirt 35 4-7 4-8 10
pixel pants 50 5-10 5-11 9
bloody clown pants 50 5-10 5-11 8
orcish cargo shorts 60 6-12 6-12 6
clockwork pants 80 8-16 8-16 7
1337 7r0uZ0RZ 110 11-22 11-23 15
penguin shorts 120 12-24 12-24 9
leather chaps 130 13-26 16-25 7
furry pants 150 15-30 17-30 9

The actual damage is pretty close to my estimates. I'm going to put my formula (along with stun information) on the Kneebutt page, but I'll leave the Needs Confirmation tag in case anyone wants to check my numbers.--Discordia 09:41, 11 April 2006 (CDT)

theory

This is my theory: all instances of yah yah have now been changed to nyah nyah. Lotusduck 21:43, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

  • It was changed on a recent Jick show. --Ricket 22:45, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

Bonus to Hit

Knee butt has a large +muscle to hit modifier, anyone done any testing to work out what it is?

I have never missed the NS using kneebutt, so it must be at least +12ish.--D0om 05:09, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I've heard +20, and while I've never spaded to see if I could miss at -21, I haven't missed at -20.--Dornbeast 19:57, 10 June 2006 (PDT)

pcentella suggests that the butt skills are also no-fumble. Is this true?--DirkDiggler 00:24, 21 November 2006 (CST)

In my experience, the entire time I was figuring out the Shieldbutt formula, I never once fumbled. I also did some more brief Head- and Kneebutt testing, and still never saw a fumble. I wasn't specifically watching them, but considering one would've messed with my data collection method, I would've noticed. So, I'd say yes, all 3 and any combos are all non-fumble. Anyone else feel free to chime in though since it's still possible I may have missed one as I wasn't watching specifically.--Salien 04:20, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Like all SKILLS, it's impossible to fumble with the *-butts, yes. ;) --Beatrix kiddo 12:13, 21 November 2006 (CST)


+To Hit bonus seems to increase as level does... only needed a +10 Muscle bonus for 100% hit rate at level 3, on an beanbat, but still missed with it. --Iziz 03:58, September 2, 2007 (CST)

  • The bonus appears to be twice the character's level up to the maximum of 20. Actual spading is needed! --Bale 12:20, 1 December 2011 (CET)

Male/Female

I noticed whenever I used it on a female oppenent, there was no stun message ever, but if I used it on a male oppenent, there was a higher chance of it stunning.

Maybe that's it. --Dogmod 22:16, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

--You can definitely stun a female opponent with this. I don't know if the rates are different, perhaps, but it can stun female enemies up to and including the Naughty Sorceress. --Jererry 12:56, 10 December 2007 (CST)

(or groin analogue)?

I'm probably just being stupid, but what does the line: (or groin analogue) reference? --Tom93 12:45, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

  • That not all monsters have groins. There are a lot of "or [body part]-analogue" combat messages that amount to a hilariously lazy way of accounting for amorphous/unusual anatomy monsters.--Jett 14:12, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Kneepads bonus?

Anyone knows if wearing knobby kneepads gives a bonus to this skill, the same way wearing a turtle helmet gives a bonus to Headbutt? --Duck and Cover 19:34, 18 January 2007 (CST)

  • Unlikely, since the kneepads are an accessory, not pants, but I'll test it next time I have access to this skill--Salien 03:04, 25 January 2007 (CST)

Stunning

Power Attacks Stuns Rate
10 420 230 54.7%
60 116 59 50.8%
130 146 73 50%
200 466 256 54.9%
Total 1148 618 53.8

More data needed. --TechSmurf 20:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Some more data here. (Conclusion was 50% stun based on 597/1165). --Starwed 21:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, hey. Didn't even see that. Adding it to the page. --TechSmurf 00:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

50% stagger no longer true

The 50% stagger is not built in anymore.

Probably need a specific blessing to get staggers now. And that blessing isn't the war snapper blessing. War snapper instead causes it to delevel.--Hastifer (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

With Blessing of the Storm Tortoise (et al)

Some spading, plus the combat messages.

  • Wearing stylish swimsuit, w/ storm tortoise: x = 9-16 (without butts of steel)
  • Wearing stylish swimsuit, w/ storm tortoise (grand): x = ?-? (without butts of steel)
  • Wearing stylish swimsuit, w/ storm tortoise (glorious): x = 28-36 (without butts of steel)

combat messages:

  • As fast as lightning, the Storm Tortoise guides your knee into your opponenent's groin. A thunderclap heralds the delivery of X damage.
  • Dark storm clouds gather overhead as the Storm Tortoise guides your knee to hit your opponent's most sensitive parts for X damage.
  • Lightning crashes in your mind as the Storm Tortoise guides your knee into your opponent's groin, like a rolling thunder doing X damage to the wind.
  • Storm clouds gather above into great balls of fire as the Storm Tortoise guides you into a debilitating kneebutt for X damage.
  • The Storm Tortoise as your guide, you kneebutt your opponent like a hurricane, doing X damage.
  • The Storm Tortoise, god of old, guides your knee into a thunderous knee-butt, doing X damage and leaving your opponent a little Thor.
  • The Storm Tortoise turns you into a knee-butting tornado, hitting your opponent for X damage.
  • The Storm Tortoise as your guide, you rain down a hail of blows on your opponent, kneeing her for X damage.
  • Thunder rumbles ominously overhead as your knee strikes [her/his] groin as fast as lightning, doing X damage.

--Hastifer (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Distressed denim pants, with glorious blessing of the storm tortoise: 54-88 damage. --Hastifer (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Some more on damage, all of the following done with a level 13 character, no butts of steel:

  • Glorious Storm Tortoise, no pants: Flat 20 damage.
  • Glorious Storm Tortoise, scale-mail underwear (power:200): 79, 92, 88, 97, 62, 74, 61, 96, 91, 68
  • She-Who-Was 1, no pants: no damage! (and delevels attack 5-6)
  • She-Who-Was 1, scale-mail underwear (power:200): 76, 42, 53, 52, 61, 45, 53, 53, 69, 57, 69, 49 (and delevels attack 5-6)

Also I did some tests with buffing muscle, and it does not appear to affect damage. --Prestige (talk) 23:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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