Talk:Hovering Skull

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murray

So.. I'm pretty sure that this familiar is a direct reference to Murray from the Monkey Island series. What with the sea shanties (although Murray doesn't sing iirc), the megalomania, and the reference to wise-cracking. --Serin 23:44, 16 August 2012 (CEST)

  • i did some research. j&co love monkey island. murray is a wisecracking skull who aids the protagonist. so far so good. unfortunately he's not a constant companion, and he's often an antagonist. but mostly there's the biting. and the eating. so while morte undoubtedly is un homage to murray this is more of a reference to morte. although i admit i could be wrong. --Evilkolbot 09:36, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
    • It might be a reference to several talking skulls. Let us not forget the following message: "<name> makes a few oblique references to the fact that the two of you have been friends for thousands of years, even though you're pretty sure that's not actually the case." I would not like to spoil, but that is blatantly a reference to Mort. Mort also sings, bites, lusts for zombie ladies (seriously!), taunts others and brags a lot. That is this familiar in a nutshell even if some of his dialogue is similar to Murray. --Bale 11:00, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
    • Oh yes, and Mort even refers to the protagonist as "Chief" just like this familiar! Every single line in this familiar is a reference to Mort, except perhaps the bit about sea shanties although Mort does sing... offkey. --Bale 11:04, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
      • It's definitely a nod to Murray, the text in the Nook makes that much blatantly clear.--Toffile 12:58, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
        • still don't see it. is "iron fist" murray and not morte? --Evilkolbot 13:22, 17 August 2012 (CEST)

I only know Murray from his appearence in The Curse of Monkey Island. While Murray is pretty megalomanic, I don't remember him caring much for the ladies or ever calling you chief. Most importantly: Murray hates the protagonist. Actually, he hates everyone.
After watching a few videos with Morte I have to notice he's floating or hovering and seems to have a substantial interest in undead ladies. He's also calling the player chief pretty much all the time.
Still, the Hovering Skull's old pirate sea shanties, desire to rules the world as well as the reminder about his lack of arms seem to be a nod to Murray to me.
Could we settle for writing that the familiar itself is a reference to Morte and list the messages that are more Murray-y as a separate reference? --Yatsufusa 13:35, 17 August 2012 (CEST)

  • that seems a reasonable compromise. --Evilkolbot 13:43, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
    • It's a reference to both really, Even in the obtaining text he makes mention of wanting to rule the world, After looking at Morte quotes I see nothing about him wanting to rule the world. Also, the reference in the hovering skull description that says something about leaving him in your inventory.. That's Distinctly Murray.. I don't believe you can put your party members in your inventory in Planescape (I could be wrong). Even though he is a stronger reference to Morte, He is still a reference to Murray. Thus, I believe the familiar should be noted as a reference to both Murray and Morte. --Serin 13:46, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
      • Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a combination of references. I just put Morte because, at the time I edited the article, the only messages around were Morte-specific.--Algernon Mabus 15:04, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
        • Also, Just found a reference to Murray hitting on a woman in the game "Tales of Monkey Island". So, It could blur the line between some of the other references.. Or perhaps, Murray was even referencing Morte. But, I guess the end result is.. How many references does it have to be to count as referencing a specific character, pop-culture thingy, etc? If you really wanted to.. You could pick apart every little piece of the item and attribute each one to each different character. But, I do believe it would be easier just to say "This item is also a homage to Murray from the Monkey Island series" and still be correct. --Serin 16:41, 17 August 2012 (CEST)

Does either Morte or Murray refer to the Main Character as "Chief?" I know Bob The Skull does from The Dresden Files. That might be a reference. --Andyzero 16:27, 17 August 2012 (CEST)

  • Morte does refer to the main character as "Chief" --Serin 16:41, 17 August 2012 (CEST)
    • I could swear "What's eating you, Chief?" is a direct quote from Planescape. LizardKing 03:46, 20 August 2012 (CEST)
      • "What's eatin' you, Chief?" is definitely a direct quote from Planescape. See Wikiquote:Planescape: Torment#Morte. Several other messages seem like pretty clear Morte references, but there's no doubt about that quote. Chickencha 09:59, 20 August 2012 (CEST)

Attacks

Noticed that the ability doesn't list that he attacks sometimes during combat, should this be added even though its not in his in game description? Also, does anyone know if he does this attack only while you are a Zombie Master? --Bombar 21:50, 20 August 2012 (CEST)

I'm done with being a Zombie Master and my skull attacks, yes. While fighting to get the Comma equipment messages, at the following weights, I observed the following unique damage numbers -
  • 28 - 15, 16, 18, 19, 22-26, 29, 30
  • 29 - 15, 16, 18, 22-30
  • 30 - 16-18, 21, 23-26, 29, 31, 32
  • 31 - 16-19, 21-31, 33
So it looks like (w+2)/2 to (w+2) damage. Attacked roughly 50% of rounds, but I didn't keep track of that so I can't say for sure. --Johnny Treehugger 19:49, 27 August 2012 (CEST)

60 turns has it attacking at 25% not 50% in my testing --Eph (talk) 19:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)