Talk:Fumble

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It's written "When you fumble your weapon, you deal 5 to 20 percent of that weapon's power to yourself", but that's wrong. I think you can do from 1 damage to 10% of your weapon's power. --Pcentella 18:31, 1 Aug 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

You're very likely right - 20% always sounded high to me. The 5% to 20% came from Narpas when he originally created the page. Feel free to update the data. --Gymnosophist 20:53, 1 Aug 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

I can confirm that fumbles can sometimes do less than 5% of the weapon's power. With a star crossbow (165 power), I fumbled for 1 damage. So 1 damage up to 10% weapon power seems reasonable. Now...10% rounded up, or down? -Caesar K 23:46, 1 Aug 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

Updated the article with this info. Still missing if that 10% is rounded up or down, though. If it's rounded up, we just need someone to hit himself with more than 10% weapon power, and it would be proven. If it's rounded down, it can't be really proven, just supposed, if many people fumble with weapons with power not a multiple of 10, and never get more than 10% damage.
Also added a note about fumbling without weapons equipped, to make clear that that can happen.
About the "and your opponent almost always hits with it's attack" part - this is not true. As a Disco Bandit with quite high moxie, I'm not geting hit whether I fumble or not, against the monsters I'm usually fighting. I didn't remove that, because maybe you have higher chance of getting hit, but I've never heard that before. Anyone knows something about this?
I also think that the part that says "fumbles appear to be induced more frequently when one has a greater level of drunkenness" is wrong. I think I've read that this is not true in the forums, by someone with inside-knowledge. Anyone can find that in the forums, or knows otherwise? --Pcentella 08:54, 2 Aug 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

In regards to the "almost always hits", I farmed the Icy Peak for more than 1000 turns, with 116+ moxie, and I was never hit, even when I fumbled. So, fumbles don't change the "safe" moxie. I'll see if fumbles increase the chance to hit unsafe moxie, by using elaborate ninja weapon and one below safe moxie.--Katan 17:04, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Well, I think this post on the forums speak for itself. I change the note about drunkness. --NitraMo 15:46, 30 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)

  • Now the note about drunkenness is just confusing. Maybe I'm dense, but what's that nonsense about gravity? I say we change it to something like, "In spite of popular opinion, drunkenness does not affect one's fumble chance." Or, better yet, axe it alltogether. We could fill up pages of what stuff doesn't do. Having an asshat equipped doesn't affect fumble chance, either. --Iason 01:52, 12 July 2006 (CDT)


I don't know if this is relevant, but I was able to fumble two toy ray guns at once for only 1 damage. In another fumble, I got up to 35 damage. --Shademaster00 10:35, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

How in the 9 Hells is it even possible to drop your forehead on your bung?! --SoItBegins 09:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

ML?

I have 400+ moxie and I was adventuring in the spooky forest. I got fumbles of 1-2 damage only. So I think fumble damge is related to ML --Shademaster00 12:01, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

Fumble damage is related to the power of the weapon you have, with the minimum fumble damage possible being 1. Fumbles of 1-2 damage mean RNG, unless you have a significant sample size. How many fumbles of 1-2 damage were recorded, out of total fumbles?--QuantumNightmare 12:04, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

  • Quite a bit, actually. Unfortunately, I don't have the number, but I did burn 200 adventures there. It seems to me that fumble damage decreases when you are significantly stronger than the monster. I ascended, and now I'm being dealt 10 or so damage from fumbles. The weapon used was the same. --Shademaster00 15:43, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Do fumbles always cause you to be hit?

I took my level 21 Accordion Thief to the Hole In the Sky, and spent 10 turns there, under the effect of Clumsy, attacking with my fists of fury. After 300 consecutive fumbles, I had been hit a grand total of 18 times. I picked up a weapon (a stolen accordion, if it matters) and tried again, and this time was hit 16 out of 300 times. I switched to my level 9 Turtle Tamer, got Clumsy, and spent 5 turns at the Dire Warren, where I was hit 15 times out of 150. I thought, maybe fumbling increases your chance to be hit, and I'm out-moxie-ing the monsters too much to test this accurately. I took my 76 moxie to Menagerie, Level 2, where I would need a 73 moxie to be mostly safe from the Carnivorous Moxie Weeds. I was hit 9 out of 150 times, including 4 out of 90 vs Weeds.

Conclusion: fumbling no longer increases the monster's chance to hit you by any significant amount. I noticed this a while ago, it's been percolating in the back of my mind ever since, so I figured I'd try to spade it out a bit. I've been wrong about stuff before, and I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. --Johnny Treehugger 20:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)