Talk:Fire Extinguisher: Polar Vortex

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the last edit on the article is wrong, but I don't know how wrong

I was just going to simply revert the edit that included the following:

*Randomly selects a non-conditional item from the opponent's drop pool and automatically steals it, ignoring its drop rate, but weighted by the drop rates of all items that the monster can drop. Does not work on Pickpocket-only items.

But I'm holding off for now. The problem is the skill still has not been properly spaded. It definitely can and does fail to acquire non-conditional items, and I have a hard time believing drop rate is ignored.

It is easiest to observe the skill work but not 100% of the time on monsters with a single, pickpocketable (though not pp-only), low-chance drop:

And by failing occasionally, I mean a failure rate of definitely more than 10% for the flanges, as polar vortex easily fails to acquire an item 1–4 times each time I use it 9–10 times there.

Zdrvst (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

  • I had it fail to get a gland from a filthworm royal guard with +105% item drops. It's worked every other time, so it's probably not common to fail. —Yendor (talk) 04:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm 99.9% certain a player's item drop doesn't affect polar vortex.
When using the skill on monsters with only 1, low-chance drop, it seems to act like it increases the drop chance of the item by some fixed amount, then rolls to see if the item is actually acquired. Flange supposedly has a 3.6% drop rate, so polar vortex is more likely to fail to get the flange than an item like the gland from a filthworm that supposedly has a 10% drop rate. Unfortunately, I don't have the tools or knowhow to pinpoint the increase in the drop rate actually is if that is even what it does.
That said, with multiple available drops, the skill probably does appear to work more or less as TES described in their edit, at least on the surface. But then that description of how it functions definitely falls apart when a monster has only 1 item polar vortex can take. Though if I had to guess, polar vortex probably can also fail to acquire any item when a monster has only 2 available items with low-chance drop rates.
Zdrvst (talk) 06:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
    • I just failed to get a tattered scrap from a bookbat, so either 15% drops can fail or it's been lowered again.--Ryo_Sangnoir (talk) 12:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)