Talk:El Dia de Los Muertos Borrachos

I have a suggestion for the El Dia monster pages. At the moment, it looks like the monsters drop two booze drops each fight, and then the page goes on to clarify in the notes section about the level 5 requirement. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the requirements for the booze on the main item drop section? It's hard to explain, but an example is the Hodgeman page. Above the speed drops, the Hodge page lists the requirements for dropping: (This item drops only if Hobopolis is cleared in a single day using no more than 2300 Adventures.) That kind of format seems like it would make sense here, too.--Goo Goo 23:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

In almost 200 turns fighting Topiray Golems I did not encounter a dead drunk. The first adventure outside this area immediately got me one. Is this coincidence or are the dead drunk not allowed in the hedge maze? --Tagon 00:31, 23 March 2009 (CET)

I thought the first mention of this was in the "Kingdom of Loathing 2008 Calendar" (not 2007). I mean the fan art version for sale in the asymmetric online store for US$10. I don't have one yet. Does it look backward as far as November 2007? --StorellaDeville 03:05, 26 November 2007 (CST)

There's a section in the 2008 calendar that discusses the holidays and what days of the KOL Year they fall on. J&S have already said on their show that the new holidays are now in effect, so most will be celebrated before the real calendar year is out.--Foggy 07:08, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Listening to the Jick & Skully show tonite Skullhead mentioned the holiday will be in place after Tuesday rollover. I'm thinking special creatures that deal spooky damage and maybe even drain hp? --Zxa 20:22, 26 November 2007 (CST)

ok i am now pretty sure this is basicly a booze version of Boris day. adventures pop up everywhere and when you beat them you get booze. simple.--Blood panther 22:09, 27 November 2007 (CST)

Just for information's sake, there is no double drunkeness today, and Dead Drunk monsters can be encountered in Drunken Stupor. --Babyscarface 22:10, 27 November 2007 (CST)

You're fighting La Novia Cadáver--encountered in the Giant Castle while sober. --Feldhorn 22:11, 27 November 2007 (CST) You acquire an item: corpse on the beach -- what one of them dropped...first fight took over 30 rounds so I didnt get to see what the drop would be if any. --Feldhorn 22:22, 27 November 2007 (CST)

I have done some minor spading with Hombre Muerto Caminando but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Nothing extra happened when I drank the booze, and nothing extra happened when I fought one of the monsters. However, I have noticed all three of my encounters(only one with the effect) have dropped the same booze, and all three have been in the same place(south of the border). --CluckyB 22:16, 27 November 2007 (CST)

My first adventure was this, in the Airship: You're fighting El Novio Cadáver This is the legendary Novio Cadáver (literally the "Corpse Groom"). Legend has it that he was so nervous on the day of his wedding that he had a few drinks to calm his nerves before driving to the ceremony. Tragically, he overestimated his ability to drive drunk, and never made it to his own wedding. His Bitchin' Meatcar was found wrapped around a tree, and his body was found lying to the left, and the right, and ten feet ahead of the tree. I know that's a pretty depressing story, but hey -- you don't become a wailing spirit by quietly dying in your sleep, you know. You get the jump on him.

Some of his misses: He tries to pelt you with rice, but it's cooked rice, so it doesn't hurt. He tries to strangle you with his bow tie, but it's a clip-on and the clip breaks. He throws his patent-leather shoe at you, but you patently refuse to be hit by it. He tries to hit you with his ring hand, but it dislodges from his wrist and he has to re-attach it. He pulls a pair of thong underwear from his tuxedo pocket and stares blankly at it - it must be a relic from his pre-mortem bachelor party. And ow, he hit me once: He pulls a pair of thong underwear from his tuxedo pocket and stares blankly at it - it must be a relic from his pre-mortem bachelor party. After a few minutes, he uses it to throttle the life out of you.

I finally attacked with titanium assault umbrella rather than dictionary, about round 28. Did 113 then 115 damage over 2 rounds before he died (died? I guess one can kill the undead). I can't tell you if my NPZR hurt him first. This was a level 14 PM with Tetanus, Leash, Fusilli & Pasta Oneness; 159 (165) / 173 (174) / 168 (175).

I know, this is really, really long. I'd like to help, but I don't think I should try to make a whole new monster page. I just hope some of this helps someone developing "Dia" content documentation. Please feel free to remove my long babbling. --StorellaDeville 22:29, 27 November 2007 (CST)

I fought a La Persona Inocente Cadáver in The Boss Bat's Lair --Blazingthunder 15:32, 28 November 2007 (CST)

While playing my multi it seems to me that a combat encounter with a Spirit will override a semi-rare drop. The fortune cookie yielded 3 adventure numbers that all fell within todays alloted adventures. All three adventures were used in semi-rare drop areas. The first two were aparently the random generated numbers because they resulted in normal adventures (and yes, I track my last semi-rare drop, this was not the result of attempting to acquire the same semi-rare on two consecutive drop occasions). The third was combat with a Groom Spirit. I'm not entirely sure how that is significant except that certain elements of the game such as clovers and superlikelies are able to override the semi-rare drop counter... and apparently this one as well.--Fabaceous 11:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Spanish

Could anyone who knows spanish well translate the names of the monsters? I could do a few of them but they would probably be wrong. --Memnarch 22:43, 27 November 2007 (CST)

Sure. I also would say that Borrachos more accurately translates as "Drunks," not "Drunken", since it is a noun.

La Novia Cadáver = The Bride Corpse (or, more appropriately, Corpse Bride, a pun on the 2005 movie)

El Novio Cadáver = The Groom Corpse (or, more appropriately, Corpse Groom)

El Padre Cadáver = The Father Corpse (or, more appropriately, Corpse Priest)

La Persona Inocente Cadáver = The Innocent Person Corpse (Corpse Bystander would be a more nuanced translation)

And yes, it ought to be "Day of the Dead Drunks"

PaladinWhite 00:39, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Bride and Groom are probably more appropriate, I agree.

If you would be so kind as to reformat the translations that would be nice!

--Jazzercise 00:42, 28 November 2007 (CST)

"La Persona Inocente Cadáver = The Innocent Person Corpse (Corpse Bystander would be a more nuanced translation)"

Maybe. I'm not sure this is exactly what it is saying though.

Bystander to what?

I wonder if it doesn't have a connotation of something closer to Random or Passerby?

LMK.

--Jazzercise 00:49, 28 November 2007 (CST)

He was a bystander to the whole wedding situation. The bride threw herself into the rapids and capsized his boat, although he had nothing to do with the situation, making him an innocent bystander in the same way that a passerby shot in a bank robbery is an innocent bystander. PaladinWhite 09:52, 28 November 2007 (CST)

In Spanish, adjectives follow the noun, so gato grande -> cat big -> big cat. So Muertos Borrachos -> Dead Drunk => Drunk(en) Dead. "Dead Drunks" is awful anyway: it describes someone getting drunk and then dying (driving drunk, alcohol poisoning, doing something else stupid, etc.). "Drunk(en) Dead" is much more humorous: zombies/corpses getting drunk. Plus, the holiday description says "the spirits of the dead rise to drink the spirits of the living", which explicitly says this holiday celebrates the dead getting drunk, not the deaths of drunkards. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 03:31, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Also, the monster descriptions in-game (or at least as they were entered so far on the wiki), have a translation to English of their names in them, so arguing over which is correct, is a moot point. Or if you prefer, a moo point: like a cow's opinion, so doesn't matter.--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 03:34, 28 November 2007 (CST)

For my money, "Day of the Dead Drunk" is a better pun in English as it has a closer assonance with the original "Day of the Dead" and also plays on the phrase "dead drunk" meaning very drunk indeed. And it still works as a translation of the plural, in a collective noun sense. (Anyway - 3 out of 4 of the special monsters were drunk when they died, so they're drunk dead drunks :)

--Feliks 07:55, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Level Restrictions

So, I'm guessing this is the booze analogue of the Feast of Boris. It already looks like there's two booze types for each monster-- one with a level requirement, and one without. --TechSmurf 22:13, 27 November 2007 (CST)

Perhaps, but the drunkenness limit doesn't seem to be upped, and I haven't heard of "normal," "other" booze having increased effectiveness. PaladinWhite 00:40, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Substat Gain

At first I thought the substat would be equal to Atk/5, where Atk is buffed moxie - 5, like the wiki says for the Feast of Boris monsters. But, with a buffed moxie of 1485, I should be getting 296 substat. Instead, I got 370 when fighting against La Persona Inocente Cadáver. That's Atk/4. Today isn't a stat day, and I'm wearing nothing that boosts monster weight or substat gains...might need some spading.--GoldS 03:19, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Another data point: Against La Persona Inocente Cadáver, buffed moxie of 1488, got 371 substat. Consistent with the Atk/4 hypothesis, rounded up.--GoldS 03:26, 28 November 2007 (CST)

La Novia Cadáver: Buffed moxie 1436, got 358 substat. Consistent.--GoldS 03:32, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Stats in general are now monster level/4 not 5...this was a change with NS-13.--Foggy 07:18, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Encounter rate (first data)

Just spent 183 adventures at the post-crypt cemetary. This is the results:

El Padre Cadáver	2	1.07%
ghuol	26	13.90%
grave rober	33	17.65%
La Novia Cadáver	3	1.60%
La Persona Inocente Cadáver	1	0.53%
lihc	24	12.83%
skleleton	24	12.83%
Smart Skelton	23	12.30%
zmobie	23	12.30%
zobmie	28	14.97%
Total	187	100.00%

Which would suggest that the special adventures have about a 0.5% chance of happening.

--Phelyan 03:25, 28 November 2007 (CST)

How exactly did you come up with a 0.5% chance, when the percentages you wrote add up to 3.2%?--Sleet 16:48, 28 November 2007 (CST)

I'm rubbish at maths... --Phelyan 10:49, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Are they like Feast Of Boris adventures, where they appear no matter where you adventure? Or has it been spaded that certain adventures appear in certain places? I have only done my Bounty run, which was admittedly only forty turns, and all I encountered was the El Padre Cadaver. --Brightbutt The Defenestrator 04:12, 28 November 2007 (CST)

I'm going to concur with Phelyan for the most part; for me it was something more along the lines of one special adventure out of 25, or 4%. It could be something in the range of one every 20-30 adventures, I guess, or a range of 3-5%. --Lillith 04:23, 28 November 2007 (CST)

More data: I saw 10 of these monsters over 288 adventures in mixed locations. Two I saw twice, two I saw three times. In one of the encounters, I got an extra adventure because I already beat it up last week which amused me. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 17:47, 28 November 2007 (CST)

So far I've burned about 170 adventures and I didn't see a single corpse. I spent about 40 in the dungeon of doom, 40 in the lair of the ninja snowmen, 40 in the haunted conservatory, 30 south of the border and 20 in the orcish frat house. I don't know if it matters or not, but the whole time I was over 200 total adventures for the day. Wonder if that plays a part? Is it happening differently this time? --Sinic 23:28, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Spirited Puns

Should a reference to the many different meanings of "spirit" be included somewhere on the page, or is that just too obvious to even mention? --17:06, 28 November 2007 (CST)

• I think it's too obvious too even mention it. You'd have to be stupid not to see it. --Wavedash 17:37, 28 November 2007 (CST)

• • Maybe at least the wikipedia page for "esprit de corps", considering I at least didn't know what that meant until looking it up? --CluckyB 21:00, 28 November 2007 (CST)

• • Several of the drinks mention a T.G.I.D. bar. Has anyone put references in to T.G.I.Fridays? ("TGID" here is probably for "Thank God I'm Dead".) --Club (#66669) (Talk) 17:50, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Martinus 3

Anyone other than me experiencing El Dia de Los Muertos Borrachos monsters today (Martinus 3). I get the impression that that shouldn't be happening. --Yammsy 22:41, 28 November 2007 (CST)

We were all punted and it was fixed.--MaskedLihc 02:14, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Putty/4-d Camera

La Novia Cadáver, El Novio Cadáver, and La Persona Inocente Cadáver all cannot be copied with 4-d camera. Wasn't able to check El Padre.

Name Changes

The "the" is not actually part of their names. It's just something to spice it up. The Monster Manuel names omit it.--Toffile 00:41, 26 November 2012 (CET)