Talk:Death Rattlin'

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Swarm size

looks like you can get bigger swarm sizes with +ML, I was running +49 ML, sorry didn't get the image it was 5 ghouls instead of 4:

You're fighting a big swarm of ghuol whelps

You open the body-drawer to see what all the commotion is about, and it turns out it's about a big swarm of baby ghuols feasting on an unfortunate corpse.

They look up in unison, squeak with malice, and leap at your throat.

They get the jump on you.

You pant as you smash the last of the little buggers. Your Evilometer beeps 6 times.

--Uzziah 12:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Another unfortunate mechanic for hardcore players. You'd need a scarf to hit an ML in the 40's. I guess if you whip out the bugbear it'll help. If there's a swarm higher than that it'd probably be softcore only, or require a gong or delaying the cyrpt until at least after Trapzor. At least it's something. --Flargen 16:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Bugbear + pumpkin juice + assaulted with pepper + Ur-Kel's + perfume = + 69 ML. --Starwed 16:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
  • The images are the obviously-named. whelps2.gif and whelps3.gif. No whelps4. Or 5, 11, 23, 37. (Worth a shot.) --Raijinili 06:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I suspect there's something amiss with the "+25–49","+50 ML or greater" figures for the big/giant swarms: I was getting vanilla swarms at +34 (radio, pumpkin, and +14 of ur-kel). Adding 6lb of purse rat got me a big swarm.--ArgghFW 07:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I just tested +25 ML with 10 coming from an MCD, got a regular swarm. Turning the MCD off an adding +10 ML equipment, got a big swarm. So it isn't counting the MCD as a source here.--Starwed 07:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Thinks we should have a thing (page) for monsters that have different forms depending on stuff? Slimes, ratkings, this. --Raijinili 17:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
+27 ML (10 from MCD) gave a regular swarm with 5 beeps, once. +30 ML (10 from MCD) gave a regular swarm with 6 beeps, twice. Could be that beeps are governed by total +ML, while swarm type is (independently) governed by non-MCD +ML. --Professor Why 00:33, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
+55ML (MCD on 10), three big swarms with 8/7/7 beeps. Doesn't even seem to be a flat rate of beeping for the same ML. --Chyld 10:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
This could be caused by monster variance -- first find the attack of the particular monster you're fighting, and then see if that correlates directly to the beeps. --Starwed 23:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
+51 ML here and I get big swarm of ghuol whelps as well (7 beeps). (11 from MCD + 20 from a baby bugged bugbear with bugged balaclava + 20 from Assaulted with Pepper) --Yatsufusa 09:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
+59ML (AoT5k on 10, 14 from aria, 35 from equipment), big swarm with 8 beeps. Will try again next run. --Doctor Fettuccini 10:51, 20 July 2011 (CEST)