Talk:Comma Chameleon

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  • Okay, there's got to be a reference for what the chameleon says when you feed her generic equipment. --Unnatural20 20:41, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

How does it work?

From what I read, you equip the item and she swallows it. Is that correct? Also, how do you know how many turns you have left? Also, can you make her swallow a new item while the old one is still in effect? Raijinili 06:50, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see how to know how many turns left, but on the last turn she has a special message for each piece of equipment consumed, basically stating that the effect is over. --Club 14:26, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

You can make her swallow a new piece of equipment before the current effect is over.--Doctor Worm 19:29, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

On the forums it was reported that "turns" means "combats" -- adventures used at the clan gym or cooking don't decrement the chameleon counter. Can we get confirmation of this? Also, are gym turns treated differently than, say, non-combat encounters?--DirkDiggler 10:52, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

Questions

One question. After you swallow an item does it take on the properties of the familiar and therefore simply use their combat messages? Or does it have its own ones for that as well?--SomeStranger (t|c) 07:36, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
As far as I've experienced it effectively turns them into that familiar --Fleurione 13:00, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
Does it work for the naughty sorceress familiars?--Harik 20:00, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Yes --El taco 02:34, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

Do you get the equipment back after it hiccups, or whatever, it out? -- dewhashish

Use FOUR tildes in the signature to include the date, helpful for finding the recent edits in a page. Anyway, no, the chameleon does not reguritate the equipment. This is a way to get excess familiar equipables out of the game (since they can't be pulverized). --Club (#66669) (Talk) 14:29, 4 February 2008 (CST)

Sorting these

Right now, the consumption messages are sorted by equipment name. What'll be more convenient for people who are looking: sorting by equipment name, or the name of the familiar they want her to turn into? --Alpaca (T/C) 10:23, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Familiar name would make the most sense to me. -GG Crono 12:04, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


Another sorting issue - Familiar consumption and burp-off messages should somehow be seperated or at least labeled as what they are - current set-up makes it appear as if there are two messages when consuming something. --Alpaca (T/C) 23:07, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

"Random" piece of familiar equipment

Does a "random" piece of equipment mean any piece (including elemental gravy fairies) or just the ones you can usually get from the arena?--Piroteknix 13:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • People have reported receiving elemental gravy fairy equipment with the chameleon, though this may have been an oversight by the devs. --Quietust 13:47, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Susie is allowed to not know what to give the fairies, and still have it behind the counter. My opinion. But I haven't seen it happen. --Club 14:32, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Will the arena give you equipment for a familiar you don't have? Will the arena give you equipment for a Mr. Store familiar? Reports on the fora indicate "yes" and "no" but confirmation would be nice...--DirkDiggler 14:37, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Can't answer the second question, but the first is definite "yes". The first item I got was menorette, and I don't have the Dreidl... --Andemon 14:39, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • The Dreidl isn't a Mr. Store familiar. -GG Crono 14:48, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
      • Hence answering the first question with a yes, and not knowing the answer to the second question :) --Alpaca (T/C) 14:52, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
      • Ah, my bad. Sorry. -GG Crono 19:39, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • For some confirmation, I was using a Chameleon who was on a Badger Badge, and did not recieve any Mr. Store familiar equipment. Including more badger badges for every 10th win. --Sparksol 02:02, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Chameleon bugs?

It seems wrong to me that as a pet rock, the chameleon can compete at the arena. Anyone else bothered by that? And as a Spirit Hobo I can't give it booze. --Club 14:32, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


Still needed

As of this posting, messages for the following familiar equipment are still needed:

  • Iced-out Bling
  • Dental Pliers
  • Tiny Nose-Bone Fetish
  • 100-Watt Bulb
  • Brass Stinger

Also, I don't know if it has a reversion message for every transformation, but if there is, those need to be added for a great deal of them.

-GG Crono 19:50, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

I've taken it upon myself to update her as soon as a new familiar comes out.

--NovaKnight21 02:57, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Obligatory dispute about references

"Watch out for snakes" probably isn't from a 1962 movie, but from the same flash loop that everything else vaguely related to the Astral Badger might reference. --Alpaca (T/C) 21:55, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • It's possible that it's just tied to the badger loop, but we shouldn't discount the possibility entirely. "Watch out for snakes!" isn't as obscure as you may think. Then again, who knows? --Quietust 22:11, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Agreed, but "Watch out for snakes" put into Google in quotes returns 40 thousands various pages. If the primary reference is indeed from that movie, I stand corrected, but I just think there are so many different variously-phrased snake tidbits "out there" that it's far more likely that the reference here comes back down to the badger loop. --Alpaca (T/C) 22:16, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
      • Don't forget, "Hi-keeba!" (another amusing phrase exposed via Mystery Science Theater 3000 just as "Watch out for snakes!" was) is also in the game - namely, when you smash open the prism and free King Ralph XI. --Quietust 22:21, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • I personaly agree with Alpaca. The two references are in tha same sentance, the phrase used is "keeping an eye out for snakes", and there is no other connection between the astral badger and snakes. If it was a reference to that movie, then it still had to be inspired by the snakes in the flash loop.--Deadgoat 22:30, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • I suppose. But that still won't stop me from suggesting on The Jick Show this Thursday that the message be changed to add the chameleon squeaking "Watch out for snakes!" :D --Quietust 22:33, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • I also don't see it as a reference to "Eegah!"--Animus 10:40, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't know if this has been agreed upon before, and it's not that big a deal, but technically familiars, once hatched, aren't "items" anymore. Am I wrong?--Animus 10:40, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

Equipment Consumption Messages

The familiar has different text for each item, we are going to need to either make a template for each item or make a section on this page. - Maxdamage August 1st 2006

-Text for Many Eyed Glasses: (Levitating Potato) (Name) swallows the many-eyed glasses in one gulp, and blinks at you through eyes that have gone multi-faceted. Her claws turn into waving vines.

-Text for Rhesus Monkey (Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot) (Name) swallows the rhesus monkey, not even dividing it into pieces first. She starts to karate-chop robotically, while a back leg turns into wood and she starts to decompose. --RedKlonoa 01:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Badger Badge (Asteral Badger) (Name) swallows the badger badge, and starts doing a little repetitive dance, all the while keeping an eye out for snakes. --RedKlonoa 01:32, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Moonglasses (Grue) (Name) tries to lick her eyeball, and ends up snagging the moonglasses. She swallows them, and is suddenly engulfed in shadow. - Maxdamage August 1st 2006

-Text for Skewer-Mounted Razor Blade (Ghostly-Pickle-on-a-Stick) (Name) swallows the skewer-mounted razor blade in one gulp. I can't imagine that's going to be any good for her, digestive-wise. She glows brightly, and starts to drool corrosive pickle-juice. Doctor Worm 01:55, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Palm-Frond Toupee (Bloody Volleyball) (Name) snags the palm-frond toupee with her tongue, and swallows it. Oh, well, she could probably use some roughage. She smiles blankly at you.--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Lead Necklace You try to put the lead necklace on (name). She looks at you quizzically, and squeaks, "I may be out of line, here, but I don't understand, exactly, which familiar it is that you, my owner, want me to emulate." (This might be the default message for general familiar equipment, like the annoying pitchfork and the like). --Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • That is the exact message I got when giving her the Pitchfork. Mr. Blonde 03:46, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Pet Rock "Snooty" Disguise (Pet Rock) (Name) swallows the Snooty disguise, choking briefly on the chain for the monocle.--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Pet Rock "Groucho" Disguise (Pet Rock) (Name) swallows the Groucho disguise, and turns into a duck. Why a duck?--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Magnifying Glass (Star Starfish) (Name) tosses the magnifying glass in the air, and swallows it in one gulp. Her insides are briefly magnified but, of course, no one can see that. --Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Pretty Preditor Clawicure Kit (Snowy Owl) (Name) sticks out her slimy tongue (or slimes out her sticky tongue) and swallows the clawicure kit. She rotates her head 180 degrees, and her claws get even sharper.--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Teddy Bear Sewing Kit (Teddy Bear) (Name) swallows the teddy bear sewing kit, and her scales turn into fur. Must have been a pretty big kit, because now she looks stuffed!--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Tiny Maracas (Hovering Sombrero) (Name) swallows the tiny maracas, rattling herself pretty good in the process. She rises off the ground, looking like Hunter S. Thompson's piñata. --Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for Tiny Mountie Hat (Whirling Maple Leaf) (Name) licks the tiny Mountie hat off of her head, and swallows it. She starts spinning around, squeaking, "what's that aboot, eh?"--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for weegee sqouija (Spirit Hobo) (Name) swallows the weegee sqouija, and turns translucent. She floats in the air in front of you, hiccuping occasionally.--Doctor Worm 02:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for rainbow tie (Personal Raincloud) (Name) snaps up the rainbow tie, and swallows it. She hovers above your head, raining on you. Don't ask.--Jubblegum 03:05, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for hot pink lipstick (Sleazy Gravy Fairy) (Name) eats the tube of hot pink lipstick, apparently confused as to its purpose (which is understandable, since she doesn't have lips). She starts to wink and flirt with you.--Jubblegum 03:11, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for gazing shoes (Emo Squid) (Name) swallows all eight gazing shoes, one by one. She blinks at you, and cries a single emo tear.--Jubblegum 03:16, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for targeting chip (MagiMechTech MicroMechaMech) (Name) swallows the targeting chip, and she starts stomping around and shooting little laser beams out of her eyes, and missiles out of her mouth.--Andemon 03:18, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Hmm... Anyone else think that this might be a reference to Mechagodzilla? Laser beams and missiles are two of its main weapons, and some model did shoot lasers from its eyes. Mech + reptile, stomping around - just a coincidence, or an obscure reference? There's that Mothra reference in the Daily Dungeon, so I suppose that it's not completely impossible...? --Andemon 19:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)

-Text for menorette (Hanukkimbo Dreidl) (Name) swallows the menorette, which hopefully was kosher. She looks up at you and squeaks, "mazel tov!"--Andemon 03:21, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for attention spanner (Attention-Deficit Demon) (Name) swallows the attention spanner in one gulp, and her eyes grow twice as large as they usually are. She squeaks, "hey, wanna go ride bikes?"--Andemon 03:23, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for blundarrrbus (Spooky Pirate Skeleton) (Name), in one smooth motion, unhinges her jaw and swallows the blundarrrbus. "Avast, ye scurvy swab!" she squeaks.--Andemon 03:28, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for meatcar model (Fuzzy Dice) (Name) swallows the meatcar model, and her body becomes cubical and decidedly fuzzy.--Andemon 03:33, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for hypodermic needle (Mosquito) (Name) eats the hypodermic needle, taking great care not to poke herself with it. Her nose extends into a proboscis, and insect wings sprout from her shoulders.--Andemon 03:35, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for eye-pod (Baby Gravy Fairy) (Name) swallows the eyepod in one gulp. Wings sprout from her shoulders, and she starts dancing around, looking like she’s ready to sell you some auto insurance.--Andemon 03:35, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • Auto insurance...? Oh, I guess that refers to the Geico Gecko?--Andemon 04:20, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for tiny shaker of salt (Sabre-Toothed Lime) You search for your tiny shaker of salt and, having found it, give it to (Name). She grins and you watch her front teeth get longer, while her scales turn a little citrusy.--Andemon 04:26, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for chocolate spurs (Cocoabo) (Name) starts nibbling, famished, at the chocolate spurs. Before you can stop her, she's swallowed them. Chocolate feathers sprout on her back, and she looks up at you and says, "kweh?"

-Text for shock collar (Stab Bat) (Name) swallows the shock collar, and her skin turns black. She gets decidedly more pointy, which is good, since she was fairly pointless before.

-Text for meat detector (Leprechaun) (Name) swallows the meat detector, and it beeps frantically as it detects all the meat inside her body. She winks at you and squeaks, "faith and begorrah!" --Andemon 04:34, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

- Text for the miniature dormouse (Wild Hare) (Name) blinks sleepily, licks her fangs, and feeds her head with the dormouse. You have to admit, he had it coming. --Taktuk 11:38, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

- Text for velvet choker (Silk Garter Snak) (Name) swallows the velvet choker, only briefly choking on it. She gets longer, skinnier, and her scales sprout feathers.--Jubblegum 01:08, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

-Text for toy six-seater hovercraft (Inflatable Dodecapede) (Name) swallows the hovercraft, and begins to hover. Sharp plastic seams appear along her sides, as do a couple more vestigial legs.--Jubblegum 01:08, 6 August 2006 (CDT)


Range of effect length?

My Chameleon didn't stop acting as a Baby Yeti until her 33rd kill. It was at South of the Border, so that was much more than 30 turns. I'd guess somewhere around 50. --Shima 01:02, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

  • There -is- a definite range to the adventures given - it's not a flat number like the Mr. Store text suggests, and from what I've seen, only combat adventures count. I'm going to start spading this out as I spade out the remaining unadded deactivation messages.--Katarani 13:41, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

I got a whopping 48 adventures out of 23 pound Chameleon (299 to 348 kills) as a Blood Faced Volleyball.--Foggy 22:10, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

I know that the effect also doesn't ware off if you are not using the Chameleon (you can 'save' the effect for when you need it most, such as if you want to use it as a gravy fairy - has this been taken into account?). Might they be using the experience/kills to count the adventures being used? eg lasts until the familiar gains 30 experience? Maybe not, if you count cake arena... Just a thought though.--FrostbiteXIII 10:02, 10 October 2006 (GMT)

Graphic

When you feed the Comma Chameleon an equipment, does the graphic change or does it just act different? I guess the latter, otherwise we'd have a picture of the Misshapen Animal Skeleton by now. Robotman 20:07, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

  • it just acts different, there is no change in the comma's picture

Wins count at the arena

Seen on the forum, about a 100% (or so) chameleon ascension:

  • "The plan will be to run 9 turns at the arena with the chameleon, netting 4 random pieces of equipment, and then one turn with a bitten/pbs, hoping for that specific equipment. "

That means the Arena counter works independently of the comma's thefts, right? It wouldn't be possible, for example, to alternate between a chameleon and another familiar and get the other familiar's gift every other fight, would it? I'd also like to know what happens if you go with the chameleon on your tenth win: since it has no specific equipment, does it puzzle Suzie like the elemental fairies? Thanks in advance... --Groli 15:23, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Pretty sure she just steals another piece of equipment from Susie.--MaskedLihc 15:33, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

New (er) equipment

the text for the mint condition magic wand (wizard action figure) is as folows -"(name) eats the mint-condition wand. As purple plastic robes coalesce around her, her expression makes you think she'd have preferred a mint-flavored wand, instead."

  • sadly i missed the message gotten when the wand breaks
    • further testing shows that there is no message given when the wand is used up completly. i just keep getting the normal message at the end of combat. there is no message indicating that the comma has stopped acting as the wizard action figure.--Le canard 11:03, 8 August 2007 (CDT)


the text for the cracker (exotic parrot) is as follows- "(name) swallows the cracker whole, wincing as the corners scrape her throat. Her scales turn into feathers, but her cold reptilian eyes stay the same. Birds are creepy."--Le canard 12:23, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

Slightly Odd

The notes talk about the equipment for the Crimbo P. R. E. S. S. I. E., yet there is nary a mention of it anywhere else on the page or here on the talk page. --Flargen 11:33, 26 January 2008 (CST)


Going over limits

if you use a comma chameleon, can you go over the normal limits of 5 astral mushrooms/bottles of absinthe by switching out?--Amazingnessness 19:36, 29 February 2008 (CST)

  • There is talk that this is not possible. From the talk, I can't determine how many turns were run. --Bagatelle 22:28, 29 February 2008 (CST)

Serrated Proboscis Extension

Thoughts from Fnord7:

"Yes, and I've always suggested to those I've loaned one to that they might refrain from doing it. I expect that it'd turn into a mosquito, but with only a 5 pound bonus as that's what happens for the items that don't add 5 pounds normally (magimechtech...and stab bat).

> Ever wonder what would happen if you fed a comma chameleon a serrated proboscis extension?" --TechSmurf 20:35, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

Isn't it a bit silly to have the "needs content" box request spading on this, since it's extraodinarily unlikely that anyone will ever be willing to risk destroying such a rare item? --Pantsless 15:01, 13 June 2008 (CDT)

Miniature castagnets, miniature Jacob's ladder

Purchased both of these from the mall, got the "I may be out of line..." generic equipment rejection message. Where on the page should this go? I'm assuming it's a bug, since they're clearly not generic equipment, but, who knows. --Johnny Treehugger 10:49, 21 May 2008 (CDT)

Huh. Turns out they ARE generic equipment - my Pirate Skeleton has my castagnets and my Volleyball has my Jacob's ladder. Probably SHOULDN'T be, though. I've submitted an in-game bug report. --Johnny Treehugger 12:30, 21 May 2008 (CDT)

Page Length, Possible Split

Okay, this page has gotten hugely long, and as more familiars are added to the game, it's only going to get longer. I propose we split the effect and feeding messages off to either one or two other pages, like the hatrack. That would let this page focus on the functions of the familiar itself, which is rather buried as the page is now. --Variatas 17:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

  • The reason the hatrack page was split wasn't the length per se--it was because there were so many template evaluations that it actually broke the article. That being said, this article could benefit either from a split of the messages and associated references, or the addition of a TOC so the reader can skip to the juicy notes with a click. --BagatelleT/C 02:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I've created some new pages in the style of the Hatrack pages to relieve some of the pressure on the main Chameleon page. The split is in the middle of the Ms thanks to the large number of "miniature" items; I think it'll be ok, I doubt there'll be any items whose name starts with Mg any time soon. Any objections to deleting this information from the Chameleon page and leaving it on the subpages? --Johnny Treehugger 21:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I removed the messages from the main page and provided the link to the subpages. Hopefully this makes the page more legible and manageable. If anyone has any comments, questions, or concerns, please let me know. --Johnny Treehugger 21:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)