Talk:Chez Snootée

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New Food Item?

Today's special is the sea lychee. That means the seas avacado, lychee, and tangelo have all been available, so the carrot, cucumber, and honeydew are also probably out there, keep an eye out. --Eight-and-a-half tails 07:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Feast of Boris Food

Today's special is the tofurkey nugget and it isn't being nuked.--Rentsy 01:11, 13 February 2008 (CST)

New Food Item Available

Today's new food is the recently created "Spooky Surprise Egg". It's Price is 1260 Meat.--KydrouKair, The Pastamancer 01:41, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Overconsumption

I believe Jick fixed the problem with the Chez Snootée not allowing consumption past 15, once for the Stomach of Steel and again for the Feast of Boris. --Doppelheathen 18:45, 23 Sep 2005 (MDT)

Specials prices

All specials seem to cost three times the autosell value of the food. All, except this one:

carob chunk cookies: 121 Meat

But carob chunk cookies autosell for 52 Meat, so they should cost 156 Meat at Chez Snootée. Is this a typo here, or do they really cost 121 Meat? It's strange - 121 isn't even divisible by 3. --Pcentella 20:27, 13 Jul 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

  • Verified and corrected at 156 on Oct. 7th --Williabr 08:09, 10 Oct 2005 (MDT)

What can or cannot be the daily special

We've already seen painful penne pasta for sale, but with today's sale of ghuol guolash it appears to me that any food can be sold as the daily special - even those that normally require class-specific skills or that earn a trophy.

Judging by the appearance of especially salty dogs and N. O. Beer at the microbrewery, I suspect it's only a matter of time before pickles appear here. Too bad the DB and TPS drinks don't appear at the microbrewery.

Only time (or Riff) will tell - so I'll keep an eye out! We don't want to miss herb brownies or spectral pickles the way we missed the frozen mushrooms for sale yesterday, do we? --Temporary Man —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:51, 21 July 2005 (CST).

  • Herb brownies appeared on Sunday! I'm leaving oxygenarian for this - good thing I'm only softcore! --Temporary Man —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:42, 24 July 2005 (CST).
  • There were N.O. beers at the microbrewery?! Wow. Any idea if they were actually, you know, drinkable? Crystallina 18:21, 9 Aug 2005 (Central Daylight Time)
  • I don't know how big of a deal this is, but there is Goat Cheese Pizza for 252 meat and it's not listed.--jupider 00:27, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Daily Specials Notes

Should all possible daily specials have a note about Chez Snootée or no?--Dehstil (t|c) 17:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

  • I'm still kind of indifferent on this one; since all food would go under this.--Dehstil (t|c) 19:42, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
  • I've tallied up some totals: there are currently 209 "regular" Food items, 103 of which are available as specials, 31 of which are linked here on the item pages. Looking at The Gnomish Micromicrobrewery for the sake of comparision, there are currently 137 "regular" Booze items, 59 of which are available as specials, only 1 of which is linked to the Micromicrobrewery on the item pages. Almost half of the Food/Booze items are available in the NPC stores. Of these, only 20% have been backlinked to the NPC stores. This tells me that it's pretty meaningless as to whether or not an item can be a special: the chances of finding any particular item at the NPC store is pretty small. This conclusion is supported by the low percentage of specials that are linked: people just don't care. Accordingly, I'll remove all the NPC store links (except for green beer, which is special). --Gymnosophist 04:39, 31 October 2006 (CST)
  • OK, all cleaned up. I left toast, tofurkey gravy and raspberry alone as they had special notes. --Gymnosophist 05:01, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Gloomy Black Mushroom?

April 24th. I read there were Gloomy Black Mushrooms that you couldn't eat, but all I saw there was Toast.Raijinili 13:48, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

  • I saw the system message when they changed it from Gloomy Black Mushrooms to Toast. I didn't think to cut and paste, but it said something about Chez Snootee being struck by lightning and it changing all the gloomy black mushrooms to toast. They caught it fairly quickly, the message was not too long after rollover.--RyokoYahagi 15:04, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
    • I Believe that it has somethign to do with the way that Chez Snootee is coded. In order for food items to not randomly appear in the shop they must be individually listed in an exclusion list. It appears the dev team forgot to do so in thsi case. --SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 15:56, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
      • So should there be a list of things that CAN'T be there? --Raijinili 17:16, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

Restricted from the Daily Special

Raijinili's comment and those of others got me curious about what exactly is restricted from appearing. I thought that I remembered hearing on one of the radio shows that there was some formula... does anybody remember this? I know it's been mentioned on radio shows that The Gift Shop food will never appear. I got bored so I decided to put some numbers and thoughts together:

  • Noteworthy notes/analysis:
    • Reagent dishes only have three ingredients. Tier-1 stir-fries and spicy burritos also have three ingredients. However, reagent dishes and only reagent dishes consume six fullness.
    • All "foods" available at The Hermitage have already appeared (catsup, hot buttered roll, ketchup, and even the late fortune cookie).
    • The only beverages to be offered were catsup and ketchup although they were classified as food at the time. Because they have since been changed, they may no longer show up. Likewise, this is why I stated I didn't think any of the beverages will show up.
    • I don't think the bowl of lucky charms will show up due to the familiar.
    • I don't think the carob chunk noodles, chorizo brownies, or white chocolate and tomato pizza will show up since they are all exclusive to Chef-in-the-box explosions and none have appeared to show up yet. Nothing special about the Chef-in-the-box but none of the Bartender-in-the-box exclusive items have been offered at The Gnomish Micromicrobrewery either.
    • It would seem that all KoL holiday content is restricted, but the ancient unspeakable fruitcake did show up on December 2, 2006. This doesn't mean they didn't restrict it after it happened. Does anybody know if was there for the whole day or if it was replaced?
    • If my guess of a restriction for four or more ingredients is true it would make sense why we haven't seen the spectral pickle at all but have seen the especially salty dog multiple times.
    • My concluding guess at all restrictions: no quest, restaurant, untradable, unique, gift shop, holiday, chef-in-the-box, beverage, 4+ ingredients, and 6+ fullness
    • There are fewer drinks than food. I should have done this pointless analysis at The Gnomish Micromicrobrewery.

--TheDotGamer 12:54, 23 January 2007 (CST)

  • Very sound reasoning. The ancient unspeakable fruitcake makes me wonder though. Do they manually flag a food as restricted based on those rules or did they forget to flag the fruitcake are a holiday food? Since this is the only place such a 'holiday food' flag would be used, wouldn't it make sense that they would manually set this for foods as they are created? Or...an automated algorithm is used for fullness, implementedness, no quest, restaurant, untradable, unique, gift shop, (possibly number of ingredients if they actually store that info on the database somewhere), and by the aforementioned chez snootee flag simultaneously.--Dehstil (t|c) 20:37, 23 January 2007 (CST)
    • I would have initially suspected that they would manually set any food that they didn't want to appear based (roughly) on the restrictions I came up with above but I still seem to remember (although don't know exactly when) it was mentioned that there is some algorithm or something of that effect that prevents them from appearing (my memory could be completely off though). --TheDotGamer 20:57, 23 January 2007 (CST)
  • In my initial analysis I didn't even make a very important realization: all quest, restaurant, untradable, and "unique" items all fall under a more important category: not discardable (or more accurately, no autosell). Given the nature of the 3x autosell restaurant price they couldn't possibly be offered. Also, now that the banana cream pie has an autosell value it should be interesting to see if it ever shows up (for a measly 30 meat too). Anyway, revisiting my analysis I reclassify the restrictions as: no autosellless, gift shop, holiday, chef-in-the-box, beverage, 4+ ingredients, and 6+ fullness will show up. And because I can, a little update on what's shown up since my last major post: catgut taco, pr0n taco, and strawberry pie, all of which I stated would almost certainly show up. Also, dehydrated caviar and desiccated apricot have showed up from my "may show up" list. This leaves bat wing kabob, lemon meringue pie, royal jelly taco, spicy enchanted bean burrito, and spicy noodles on my "almost certain" list, and ballroom blintz, delicious spicy noodles, dwarf bread, Manetwich, and stale baguette on my "possible" list. None of the food on my "won't show up" list showed up. The only new food introduced to the kingdom since then was the banana and the banana cream pie, the latter of which would make a really sweet special. Well, and the Better Than Cuddling Cake too I guess, but that's a Gift Item. --TheDotGamer 10:13, 7 March 2007 (CST)
  • Would the appearance of any of the foods not on your "won't show up" list lead to a revision of current theory? Otherwise, it's time to add something to that effect, somewhere.--Dehstil (t|c) 23:43, 7 March 2007 (CST)
    • Hmm, yeah, it would almost certainly lead to a revision of my current theory. Something that I thought about after I made that post yesterday was that the gloomy black mushroom, an item without an autosell, was available temporarily. Firstly it got me thinking, what was the item possibly listed at? The item has no history of an autosell value here on the wiki at least. Secondly it got me thinking again that maybe, just maybe, dev really does have to manually set a "no-chez" flag. Anyway, the sentence in the notes section: "While some of the daily specials..." should definitely be modified. I have no idea how to word it though, but probably not how I worded it above. I kind of like how it is specific about not ever having the "top notch" foods. Hell ramen should almost certainly changed to reagent dishes though, if this is retained. But then again, this is omitting the other 4+ ingredient food. And how can you possibly list "Gift Item" food next to "top notch" food. --TheDotGamer 07:37, 8 March 2007 (CST)
  • Today the "banana" is available for 3 meat, and I noticed that the banana cream pie hasn't been added - can someone who knows the format of this page add them? Also, it appears that you get to keep the banana peels from ordering bananas --Grimdel 02:17, 7 April 2007 (PDT)
    • Banana cream pie has never actually appeared. This page is only for foods that have actually appeared. However, as I noted above, it would make a pretty sweet special if it was offered. And somebody already added bananas to the page. --TheDotGamer 17:20, 7 April 2007 (CDT)
  • triangular CRIMBCOOKIE showed up on sept 29th 2018. Which suggests that holiday items are not actually excluded. --Taltamir (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Fullness

Let's somehow keep the fullness & adventures given for the Regular Menu items. Even thought it may not be there in-game, it's certainly helpful. --Gymnosophist 22:18, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

Bonus adventures?

I would assume that Opossum sign, milk of magnesium, and munchies pills affect foods consumed through here, but has anyone done any testing on it? If so, can we drop a note into the article about it? --J12601 20:54, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

  • Both opposum and milk have a positive adventure affect here, on specials and regular food..--Kiltan 21:57, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

Consumption questions

So is it possible to buy and keep the daily specials instead of them being automatically consumed? And do you get the appropriate effects that come along with the food? For example, the nanite-infested food. And also does the spooky surprise egg daily special give you a tiny plastic toy as well? --Lemon-claw 16:30, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

For the first question, read the notes. For the rest, yes. Eating a banana gives you a banana peel, for example (and thus means that peels are a renewable resource, though bananas are not). --Flargen 17:29, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

It would be much easier if you can tell me yes or no I can't keep the daily specials once I bought them. I scanned through the entire page a few times and couldn't find that bit of info. So could you PLEASE just tell me?--Lemon-claw 18:11, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

  • Short answer: No. Your scanning skills need work, as it says right at the top "Whatever you buy here you automatically eat right away, so be careful.". --TechSmurf 18:23, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

lol. I was scanning this page, not the article. No wonder I couldn't find it. It's good to know you reply so quickly. --Lemon-claw 18:35, 10 March 2008 (CDT)