Talk:Bottle-rocket crossbow

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  • "Deastive" could also be a reference to an early commercial for The Colbert Report, which described the show as "trustigious," a combination of "trustworthy" and "prestigious." --Zafoquat 08:52, 3 July 2007 (CDT) I took this out of refrences. Deastive and Trustigious are only similar in they are a combination of two words. These are not unique, and neither Jick's /dev team nor Colbert's dev team were the first to do it. This is a very indirect reference at best. Feel free to repost it if you feel strongly about this reference or feel it was improper for me to remove it.

Kind of a silly question, but I assume this will actually work in Hardcore?--FrolSkobeev 23:34, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

  • It apparently does work in Hardcore, but not for long. --Quietust (t|c) 23:35, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
  • I'm in HC and have successfully equipped one, expecting that to change very shortly... --Calair 23:40, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

You let loose a bolt from the blue, provided you've named your bottle-rocket crossbow "Blue." Blue's bolt hits for 159 damage.

You fire a red bottle-rocket at your opponent. It whizzes in circles around him, pelting him with 40 damage worth of hot, hot sparks.

Red Rockets do Hot Damage, Blue ones do Cold, Purple ones do Sleaze. Orange ones could increase ML (?) and Black ones may Delevel (?)--Six Vandrena 00:07, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

are the bottle rockets items themselves, or are they used instantly in combat?--Le canard 00:48, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

They are, in fact, skills. Costs 5MP to fire a bottle rocket, and you can only do it once per battle. CaptainSpam 01:33, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

For the references part, if Jick didn't think about that reference, then it's not an intended reference, and isn't the references part just for what the Jick and Co. meant to refer to or other meanings? I don't know, thats why I'm asking :P--Creamy 02:31, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

If you're dual-wielding two of them you can fire two bottle rockets a fight, at a cost of 5MP each. --Klowns 02:54, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

You can't use the bottlerocket skills if the crossbow is in your offhand. (For clarification, I had flaming jugglers balls in the ... onhand?) --Jonzay 03:16, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

I'm currently too drunk to test using only 1 crossbow in the offhand, I can confirm that you can fire two bottlerockets if you have two crossbows equipped. --Grimdel 04:04, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

What does attributing word-combination to movies or colbert really mean? it's a much older practice than either of those references. it's just something people do with language. I mean, unless the sentence which introduces the new word is a quote itself, I don't think it's a reference to anything. --silver 05:57, 3 July 2007 (CDT) (edited silver 06:17, 3 July 2007 (CDT))

Using the br crossbow's orange rockets (and the toy space helmet to gauge) raised the monster's HP and Strength, maybe it levels the monster? Blue rockets do cold damage, red do hot, purple sleaze, and in complete speculation the blacks may do the opposite of orange and delevel them. This of course needs verification. Tuesday July3rd 10:57am (Atlantic Standard Time, -4GMT) Kosher le pesach

In regard to the reference,it sounds more like the quote of Will Farrell doing a James Lipton impersonation

"The performance was so good...there is no word in the English language that can capture it's essence. Therefore, I will make one up right here... Scrumtrulescent. That performance was scrumtrulescent."

Just my opinion but there is a similarity --Guy Incogneeto 11:18, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

"Deastive" is a portmanteau, as the references section (currently) says. Portmanteaux, both the idea and the word "portmanteau," were created by Lewis Carroll in the 19th century (as the Wikipedia link says), when he was writing the "Alice in Wonderland" pair. The idea is far older than Will Ferrell or Stephen Colbert. Count Macantuna 20:18, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

There was a question if the black bottle rockets actually said shrounding. They do. Judging from the rest of the item, I would wager that it is not a typo, but in fact is a portmanteau of shrouding and surrounding. Along those lines, I did like the link to wikipedia:portmanteau that used to be in the Notes section, since they seem to figure prominently on this item. But then, if someone's curious about it, they can find it here in the discussion too. *shrug* --Terion 17:01, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Prompted by Bagatelle's removal of the stun effect of black bottle rockets, I tested them out over a few days. After firing black bottle rockets at 45 ducks and 40 snowmen, I always saw the target attack me in the same round. So I agree with Bagatelle: black bottle rockets do not stun. --Terion 17:01, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Weapon-specific hit messages

Since I don't know how to add and format these in the main-article in the right way I just add them here hoping someone copies them over and maybe confirms them.

  • You fire a patriotic bolt from your bottle-rocket crossbow, hitting for truth, justice, and X damage.
  • You let loose a bolt from the blue, provided you've named your bottle-rocket crossbow "Blue." Blue's bolt hits for X damage.
  • You let loose a bolt (not to be confused with loosening a nut) and hit him for X damage.
  • There's a quiet plink sound as your bolt hits him, dealing X damage.
  • You shoot him in the gut for X damage. Harvey Keitel wanders by, and says "Along with the kneecap, the gut is the most painful area a guy can get shot in." Your opponent nods in agreement.
  • You dive for cover, and everything goes into slow-motion as you shoot him for 29 (+17) damage in midair. It's all very dramatic.

--Beliar Lightbearer 22:46, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

  • In the interest of avoiding confusion for later readers: Only the first two messages are specific to this weapon. The others are "specific" to all crossbows. --Terion 17:01, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Missed!

Well I shot... I missed and I didn't see it noted anywhere else so...

"You fire a bottle-rocket at your opponent, but you miss by a mile. It whizzes off over the horizon, leaving a trail of sparks. Very pretty, but otherwise ineffective." --Gleezus 12:00, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Weapon-specific hit message correction:

The wiki entry lists specific hot damage. It should list X damage instead. It only does about 29 damage for me right now at level 8 with a raw moxie of 59. --Zxa 10:54, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Possible Reference?

  • Am I the only one who thinks the part about naming your crossbow "Blue" is a reference to the fantasy sequence in Christmas Story wherein Ralphie refers to his rifle as Blue?--AAAC 21:42, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
    • I'm actually pretty sure that "bolt from the blue" is a reference to lightening on a sunny day. I'm not very good at wording references, but if someone would like to double check my thought then add it, that would be great. --Gleezus 18:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Bottle-Rocket Damage

I just fired off a blue bottle-rocket and I only did 32 cold damage. I was adventuring in the Deep Fat Friar's Gate.--Aznpride 21:02, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

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Some data. I hear the rockets scale against enemies, so damage amounts will vary depending on who you're fighting.

In the Thugnderdome:

You fire a red bottle-rocket at your opponent. It whizzes in circles around him, pelting him with 48 damage worth of hot, hot sparks.

You fire a blue bottle-rocket at your opponent. It whizzes in circles above him, coating him with fake snow and dealing 46 damage.

You fire a purple bottle-rocket at your opponent. It hits him for 46 damage before exploding into the shape of a rude gesture.

You fire a black bottle-rocket at your opponent. It whizzes in circles around his head, shrounding him in thick, choking black smoke. -- Old Ned 07:25, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

  • We've got all of the bottle-rocket messages already, each on the page for the related skill. --Quietust (t|c) 07:33, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I am going to be firing some orange bolts at the pantry and record my sub stat gains. First a baseline. Relevant equipment is a pilgrim shield and Annoy-o-Tron 5k set to 10 and 9lb Volleyball. As a lv 2-4 DB Base line expected stat gain is 8-9

You gain 2 Strengthliness.
You gain 2 Mysteriousness.
You gain 5 Smarm.

-

You gain 3 Strengthliness.
You gain 2 Mysteriousness.
You gain 4 Smarm.

-

You gain 3 Strongness.
You gain 3 Magicalness.
You gain a Mysticality point!
You gain 2 Cheek.

-

You gain 3 Beefiness.
You gain 4 Magicalness.
You gain 2 Chutzpah.

-

You gain 1 Fortitude.
You gain a Muscle point!
You gain 3 Magicalness.
You gain 5 Sarcasm.
You gain a Moxie point!

That fits with what I would expect Firing orange bolts on the first round then killing on the second.

You gain 6 Strongness.
You gain 4 Wizardliness.
You gain 2 Roguishness.

-

You gain 2 Beefiness.
You gain 4 Enchantedness.
You gain a Mysticality point!
You gain 6 Smarm.

-

You gain 4 Muscleboundness.
You gain 4 Wizardliness.
You gain 4 Cheek.

-

You gain 2 Fortitude.
You gain 3 Enchantedness.
You gain 7 Cheek.

-

You gain 2 Muscleboundness.
You gain a Muscle point!
You gain 2 Wizardliness.
You gain 11 Sarcasm.
You gain a Moxie point!

-

You gain 2 Strengthliness.
You gain 4 Mysteriousness.
You gain 6 Chutzpah.

-

You gain 4 Enchantedness.
You gain a Mysticality point!
You gain 8 Roguishness.
You gain a Moxie point!

- That data set seems to show the orange rockets give +3 substats witch would be 15 monster level. one more baseline to make sure its the orange bolts giving the substats.

You gain 4 Muscleboundness.
You gain 3 Enchantedness.
You gain 2 Smarm.

- I have a feeling the black bolts lower your end of battle substats, I'll check that later if no one else wants to.--Error1 21:18, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Numbers!

Assuming the formulas for Hit Chance are correct, and that AFH's monsterstats are accurate, at 2 Moxie, and with the assumed 10 Moxie hit bonus, this bottle rocket hit rates should be:

  • Doughbat: 13 MDef / 45.4%
  • Baseball bat: 14 MDef / 36.6%
  • Vampire bat: 15 MDef / 27.7%
  • Skullbat: 15 MDef / 27.7%
  • Briefcase bat: 16 MDef / 18.2%
  • Perpendicular bat: 17 MDef / 9.0%

Awesome. Now, data! My observed hit rates were as follows:

  • Doughbat: (11/21)/34.3%
  • Baseball bat: (10/26)/27.7%
  • Vampire bat: (6/31) /16.2%
  • Skullbat: (6/28) /17.6%
  • Briefcase bat: (3/29) /9.4%
  • Perpendicular bat: (0/30) /0%

Which lines up very closely with a hit bonus of 9 Moxie. Huzzah! --TechSmurf 01:00, 11 June 2008 (CDT)