Talk:Beyond the Pale

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  • I gave this page a huge overhaul, so that it looks more like the other location pages. I hope everyone likes this. I wasn't sure whether or not you could access the account menu if you were in Valhalla...could someone confirm or deny this? --Doppelheathen 18:51, 17 Sep 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

Perhaps this should just be merged with Beyond the Pale --Kandrew 23:48, 3 Sep 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

  • Okay, I've looked through the standard templates. The template listed for the location pages seems more suited to the adventure pages, and seems inappropriate for this page, since this page more closely resembles the pages for other major locations in the game. So I have no idea what the "standard template" for a location page is.--Doppelheathen 17:07, 18 Jul 2005 (Central Daylight Time)

Play Cards with Dead People?

Look at the image for the cards on the page. It's not correct. --Someone Else 16:47, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

Beyond the pale?

  • if this the the in-game heading, where is it on the page? do we have to guess? --Evilkolbot 08:01, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
  • If that's the case, where does it say Valhalla? Should this page be renamed?
    Edit: Apparently, Beyond The Pale was this before it was turned into a redirect.--Dehstil (t|c) 16:10, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
    • howsoever, there should be some indication on the page of its in-game heading. since pages are generally named for their heading, for consistency's sake, shouldn't valhalla be the redirect? --Evilkolbot 05:00, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
      • I agree, valhalla SHOULD be the redirect if Beyond the Pale is the correct heading. Unfortunately, I can't move the page and its beautiful history over; the same goes for Spleen Damage to Spleen.--Dehstil (t|c) 12:37, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
        • You can't, but I can =). I even kept the history from the page that was previously there. One question. Is it "Beyond the Pale" or "Beyond The Pale"?--SomeStranger (t|c) 13:53, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
        • Thanks, I'm not sure which way it's capitalized we'll need someone to ascend again and check. In the meantime, there's lots of places that refer to "Vahalla" instead of "Beyond The Pale". I assume this is because of The Valhalladay Inn and /c vahalla.--Dehstil (t|c) 14:01, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

It's "Beyond the Pale". Note that "the" is not capitalised.--Jubbers 01:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)


I'm doubting that Jim Gaffigan reference. "Beyond the Pale" is a remarkably common term. --Chamelaeon 11:44, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

Reading the description of this place it reminds me remarkably of Ascension in the Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis series'. Especially the parts about being on a higher plane of existence, being unable to interfere with the "lower" plane of existence, and becoming more or less a superior being with infinite powers. Not sure if anyone else noticed this or if I'm just completely off my rocker. Pitboss 17:32, 30 September 2007 (CDT)

The "border" between England and Ireland is and has always been marked by (a) Wales and (b) a large stretch of sea, no stakes being needed. The Pale, historically, referred to part of Ireland (essentially around Dublin) controlled by the English from 1169 until the Tudors took control of the whole island in the 1500s. --Albert Herring 16:55, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Last ascension, or next ascension?

I see this has been changed back and forth in the past. I searched the forums shortly before NS13 to see if I was doing it right, and somebody posted afterwards that they'd stayed in Valhalla and it had added days onto the next run. I'm almost positive my edit is correct - but if anyone has any evidence the other way, please say so. --Rachelkachel 23:51, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

No more chat?

Is it just me, or is it no longer possible to participate in chat while Astral? --Sparksol (t|c) 06:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Revert War Prevention

So that this doesn't burst out into some revert war, let's just talk about it here before going any further....Why do or don't you think this (Beyond The Pale, a comedy album by comedian Jim Gaffigan) is a reference?

I personally don't think this is a reference in any way. Just because some of the words are the same doesn't make it a reference.--Icon315 16:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I believe the title is a reference to the same named Jim Gaffigan comedy album. Why? First - The title is the same. Second - most of the tracks on the CD talk about food and eating forever and ever which relates to Eat Something. Third - The last few tracks of the comedy album talk about the afterlife, heaven and people you'd meet (Play Cards With Famous Dead Guys and Chat With Your Ancestors). Fourth - The cd album art is a white background with a simple photo of Jim Gaffigan, a style which is similar to the graphic style of Kingdom of Loathing. For these four reasons I believe that it is plausible that the title is in fact a reference to the comedy album. Those who have listened to the comedy album in it's entirety will get additional references.--Mr.monkey 19:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
That's nice. Can you next explain how something released in 2006 applies to something that was written in 2005?--Toffile 19:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Simple - Jick knows all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.monkey (talkcontribs) on 19:16, 26 July 2010
  • stop that. he's not prescient. one more revert gets you a ban. --Evilkolbot 19:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
    • actually, now i've bothered to count, you're totally a jackass. 3RR way exceeded. --Evilkolbot 19:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Valhalla in ruins

It seems that if you jump into the gash right now, Valhalla is in ruins and surrounded by yeti-riding skeletons. Anybody in a position to go through the gash, or stick a multi through the gash (an keep it there for field reporting)? [Image] --Turing 15:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm in Valhalla right now and there are no changes. Could it be shopped?--Thraden 15:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

  • That seems plausible. Bleh. --Turing 16:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit: Nevermind me, this stuff has already been found, see 'ascension' page. Found the mechanic for Karma. Casual gives 11 Karma, Normal 111, HC 211. Teet or Booz path adds 12, Oxy adds 26 (resulting in 23 and 37). Summer 2011 Challenge 'Bee Hates You' (instead of a path) adds 50/100, depending on diffculty chosen. --Rikastley 15:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Looking up records

At the moment the page says "When she is finding you in her records, the first two letters of the other names will be the same as yours (e.g., Drarvis, Draworski if your name is Drexel.)" but I just ascended and got "Let's see, here. Laarvis, Loabworski, ah, here you are. Lord Kobel." so it's probably just the first letter, not the first two letters. I'd be interested to know if these two names change.... Lord kobel

  • "Let's see, here. Maarvis, Moabworski, ah, here you are. Modran." Yep, looks like first letter to me :)--Modran 14:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "Let's see, here. Caarvis, Clabworski, ah, here you are. Club." I am curious, but have not checked, are the other names real players? --Club (#66669) (Talk) 17:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Based on these two examples, it seems to be <First letter of your name>aarvis, <First 2 letters of your name>abworski. So mine would be Taarvis, Tuabworski, Turing. I'll have to check next time I ascend. --Turing 17:14, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • In case this is still a thing: "Let's see, here. Jaarvis, Joabworski, ah, here you are. Johnny Treehugger." --Johnny Treehugger 16:28, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Oh, it's still a thing, and I am so curious how it works with really short names that I have created one new multi (so far, I'm considering a second) to test. I'm only level 8 with that account currently, since I didn't shower it with high quality stuff. I'll probably have an answer next week. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 20:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
        • I did consider making a character named Aaaardvark Man, since if the rules on the page are correct, the names in the book will actually be in reverse alphabetical order. --Johnny Treehugger 21:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
        • "A 1" just ascended. It is a simple "<first>aarvis, <first><second>abworski, ah here you are" even if that would put them out of order. Both of those were after my character's name in a standard dictionary ordering. (Aaarvis, A abworski, A 1) are, in fact, reverse alphabetical. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 20:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)