User talk:Quietust

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Ascension Table

Do you mind if I steal the layout for your ascension table on your User page? All credit would be given to you, of course. --IDannPK 14:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

• By all means, go right ahead. --Quietust (t|c) 16:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much. :D --IDannPK 02:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Maximizing... Edits

• people keep adding stuff to the various maximizing pages. perhaps they should be protected, and a template added along the lines of "These pages are locked because they are about to undergo a major revision; if you want to take part in this process, please add to the discussion at Talk:Dressing For Success." is the timescale for this too short to be worth the effort? --Evilkolbot 00:25, 29 August 2008 (CDT)
  • Discussion has recently died down on it, and I've recently started trying to see if we can get at least a few reasonable people to come to a consensus. Not many responses to that right now, though. Otherwise, locking them sounds good. Something to keep in mind for similar situations in the future at the least. --Flargen 00:35, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

Skill Progression

Random note - I think your skill progression table is missing Transcendent Olfaction. --DV 01:59, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

• Now it does. --Quietust (t|c) 08:20, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

Randomizing Data Pages

Since I'm told you're the template guru 'round these parts, figured I bring this idea up to you directly. That idea being: would it be possible to randomize some of the data entries in monster data pages? The images, in particular. Especially for the hobos, chums, and even the Shadow Class. It'd be nice to have a set way of dealing with monsters with variable images, other than the current practice of using the question mark. It doesn't look like we can just use RandomlySelect in the image datafield. I didn't manage to find a solution hidden in the wiki somewhere; closest I found was stuff on Template Talk:Ouch, but it seems like the issue that was worked around there can't really be avoided with the data pages right now. --Flargen 17:03, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

• I can't think of anything right now, but if I come up with something I'll post it. --Quietust (t|c) 19:46, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
• Generally random on the wiki doesn't work because of the cache mechanisms. You could theoretically disable that, but that would put a huge strain on the servers and isn't worth the small effect. Maybe put a note below the image to look below?--SomeStranger ^(t|c) 19:56, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
  • Well, the current de facto standard is to use the image for the Possibility Giant and then list in a notes section of the monster page the various possible images. The concern is whether using the giant question mark is really all that desirable. It looks a little...off, and no explanation exists on the location pages. And how does the {{part}} randomization work and affect server strain? I see it's really just using a custom tag, but I've no idea what the code for that tag is and if it is at all adaptable for images; especially images pulled from data pages. --Flargen 20:10, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
  • Perhaps instead of using the big question mark, we could create a special image specifically for this purpose (e.g. something akin to noart.gif) - a 100x100 GIF image with some sort of "Random image - see below" text in it, and possibly an appropriate illustration (bonus points if it looks like something Jick might've drawn). --Quietust (t|c) 22:37, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
    • Speaking of GIFs you could do an animated GIF with all of the images. --SomeStranger ^(t|c) 10:57, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
      • I was thinking this would be a better idea than a single image effectively saying "this monster has a randomized image". Albeit it requires more work, and still sounds like an interim fix to me. --Flargen 15:38, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
    • In regards to {{part}}, that template is not truly random. It generates a random name when you load the page and and then stores that to the cache. It does not pick a new part until you re-cache the page.--SomeStranger ^(t|c) 10:59, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
      • From what I've noticed, I take it you mean my browser cache, and not some sort of server cache. Can we do that sort of thing with the images pulled from monster metadata, then? Or were you saying earlier that you don't think that could be done? --Flargen 15:38, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

Pitchfork/pitchspoon reference

I gather you've never read Dilbert - there's a semi-regular minor character in that comic strip called "Phil, the Prince of Insufficient Light", whose symbol of office (for lack of a better term) is an enormous spoon, and which he refers to as a "pitchspoon" in several strips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil,_the_Prince_of_Insufficient_Light

--PFC Walker 10:32, 17 July 2008 (CDT)

(P.S. - I seriously doubt that the "pitchspoon" message has anything to do with spooning - it just doesn't make sense.)

• I'm not quite sure why I removed that reference back last year, but I suspect there was a good reason. As for the "spooning" reference, it's likely because the combat message says that you "fork it with your pitchfork" and "thank goodness it isn't a pitchspoon", since if it was a pitchspoon then you'd be spooning it with it. --Quietust (t|c) 10:41, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
  • Ah, 'now' I get the pitchspoon/spooning thing. I guess I'm not quite as recovered from the craziness in my sector of meatspace as I thought. (Although, checksumming the edit history for pitchfork only tells me that it was a reversion to the page's status prior to my addition of the potential Dilbert reference . . . ) --PFC Walker 14:59, 17 July 2008 (CDT)

Users clearing content from their talk page

Whether or not Users should be allowed to clear out their talk pages has come up before. There it was sort of agreed that it should probably be allowed. I'm not sure what your take on all that is right now, but maybe this is an issue that should be brought up with all of the wiki admins so a consensus can be reached? --Flargen 22:26, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

• Frequently, users will clear out their talk page if they've gotten warnings from admins/moderators as a way of hiding the fact that they've been misbehaving, which can result in them potentially getting additional "first warnings". I'm generally okay with removing general discussions, but warnings are one thing I don't believe should be removed (at least until the user has demonstrated that they intend to contribute positively). In this case, a closely related "*sighs loudly*" edit comment signals potential annoyance related to the rules here, something which warrants further surveillance. --Quietust (t|c) 23:05, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

Project Namespace

From recent changes: "(Move log); 12:55 . . Quietust (Talk | contribs) (TheKolWiki:Subpages moved to TheKolWiki talk:Subpages: I'm surprised the wiki even allowed you to create a page in the project namespace)" Well, it didn't seem right to start a talk page for a page that doesn't exist. As for letting me do it, I can't speak to that. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 15:17, 24 June 2008 (CDT)

Hobopolis Items

I was using that. As well, the mechanics section is nearly all wrong. If I delete it, people will bitch and complain, so could you do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mar (talk • contribs) on 2008-06-23 21:31:33

Template updates

I mentioned this over at Discussion#Template Updates Required. The {{acquire}} template needs to be updated to handle clan loot drops. Unfortunately, I didn't think of this at the time I/my clan finally bested our first boss, so I don't have the exact text for this. But I'm wagering that won't take too long to acquire from somebody. And also, {{Combat/meta}} still needs to be changed so that it shows bounty entries and such on the data pages themselves. --Flargen 01:51, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

• Jick also updated the end-of-item note for Crit multipliers (e.g., enchanted brass knuckles). --Bagatelle 10:25, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

Clan Trophy template

• Thanks. I was just getting started on that, and it probably would've taken me a few days to figure out how to do the template and data page. --TechSmurf 21:05, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

|Id

A "|" followed directly by "id" seems to cause a 501 method not implemented error when both saving and previewing. I'm going to email FrostByghte, but I thought I'd just alert you to the error too. --CG1||| 21:18, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

Malicious Edit

Is this something that needs more action than my undoing it? --Flargen 23:04, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

He's done it before. And is most likely related to this guy...--QuantumNightmare 23:09, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Was there a particular reason you undid his edit of the Bots page? sellbot is an actual bot that does as the entry indicated (albeit with better English), amongst other things (a number of which are for-profit; but the pricing services are charge-free). Just you assuming that the since his other 2 page edits were vandals then so was that one, maybe? --Flargen 00:23, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

• Actually, it's because Sellbot was already listed further down with a more comprehensive description, and the "Revert" function doesn't let you specify a reason. --Quietust (t|c) 12:10, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
  • Revert=undo right? When I click undo I get the normal edit window properties (i.e. give a reason for the edit) and you can add it there yes? --Plater (t|c) 12:46, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
    • Now that I look, the function is "Rollback", not "Revert", and only those with the "Sysop" privilege can use it - it instantly undoes all changes by the last user to edit the page. --Quietust (t|c) 12:59, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
  • Oh, okay, I hadn't noticed that. Was just looking at the "diff" link. --Flargen 14:32, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

Main Page "issues"

If you look at the source (or edit if you have the ability) of the main page, you see that it uses templates to announce IotM AND IOTM, where IOTM shows great balls of fire and IotM shows the correct one. Is there some cleaning up that could be done there? And while I'm on the subject, what is the time frame used for changing what is announced, I noticed it doesn't coincide with rollover, is it just using regular old server time? --Plater (t|c) 21:54, 6 February 2008 (CST)

magazines, standards pages

1. I kind of disagree on the magazine thing, by the way. I understand from the standpoint of reducing the bulkiness of the section/entry, but with the HP/MP restore listed as is it's ambiguous (suggesting only the last message gives HP/MP). Off-hand I can't think of any strong precedent either way, as this is the only item/familiar/effect I can think of that gives the same item/effect/restore after non-identical messages. Okay, there's the Gluttonous Green Ghost, who has three restoring attacks with the restore listed for each. A middle-of-the-road solution would be to separate each message by an "or" for this more extreme case.
2. Something needs to be done about the Established Standards: Item Pages page (as I brought up on the talk page there, but I'm guessing you'll notice my spaz attack here first). The links in its very own table of contents aren't pointing to the right things. Changing the name of the sections or replacing the examples with images could fix things. That or the code that generates a table of contents needs to be fixed to use more accurate links, like what Bagatelle has used to fix the problem this caused with NeedsReview. Or better yet, there doesn't happen to be a wiki code that effectively says "don't make this (sub)section linkable" does there? I'm guessing other Standards pages are suffering from the same malady. Seems kind of silly to have such behaviors on standards pages.

--Flargen 20:51, 1 February 2008 (CST)

unsigned template

While editing today, I eventually found my way over to the Discussion#Preceding unsigned comment page/section to ask why the unsigned template was always supposed to be subst'd. The only decent reason I could think of thus far is a concern over server load when dynamically adding in the content. Is that it, or is this some other reason? Haven't been able to track down a more fully explained reason; closest is a quick explanation on the template's talk page which doesn't satisfy/make sense to me. It would seem easier to consistently format them if they're dynamically generated rather than it selecting the current format on first addition. So what train of logic (and/or specific functionality of the wiki) is failing to dawn on me here? --Flargen 20:11, 27 January 2008 (CST)

• The basic reason is because that's how Wikipedia does it, though it's probably been well demonstrated that we do not do things the same as Wikipedia, so feel free to disregard that particular bit about said template. --Quietust (t|c) 21:42, 27 January 2008 (CST)
  • is that a yes or a no, then. i must admit i'd prefer not to subst, but your previous advice, and that on the template page itself, is always to. i'm confused. should i roll back yesterday's changes, then? --Evilkolbot 02:30, 28 January 2008 (CST)
    • I've already removed the subst bit from the template page itself, so that should answer your question. --Quietust (t|c) 07:42, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Broken Links

I been digging around the Special Pages section and peeked in on broken links. There are over 700 unique pages linked that do not exist. Many of them seem to be Clans and/or mis-spellings. What is the policy for these broken links? Is it just a big project never tackled? Are clan pages allowed? (maybe clans/clanname the way user pages roll?) You wondering about it all. --Plater (t|c) 15:17, 18 January 2008 (CST)

Socialismydia page gone blank?

It appears you blanked/deleted the Socialismydia page a few weeks ago. Why? Accidentally?

• (This should have been added at the top), I just re-saved the page in question so it would be back. Dunno how it got blanked, Quietust's edits just seemed to add some ID numbers. --Plater (t|c) 10:24, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • What Plater said - I didn't blank the page, the wiki software did; a diff would have made this rather evident. --Quietust (t|c) 11:19, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Archiving

I'm becoming quite the frequent poster here. But to my actual point. I was thinking it was about time that the virgin booty talk page had it's first 49 sections or so archived. I've no idea what the standard for doing this is, though, otherwise I'd have done it already (assuming a non-admin is capable). Most of the stuff there is out of date and no longer relevant. Though since there are indications from Jick and co. that there is still at least one unsolved puzzle out in the ocean, we might as well hang onto it just in case. Plus, history and all. --Flargen 13:34, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Editing Whackiness

I recently wrote on my talk page that I've been having some rather strange issues with trying to add a particular template to the Tome of Snowcone Summoning page. The page needs the new use messages and plural, which is why I want to add the template, but every time I try I get a 500 (Internal Server Error) message (which contains no address for the server administrator, incidentally). I've tried all I can to see if maybe my machine/router were somehow sending out bad data, and nothing's changed. And this is the ONLY page and the ONLY type of edit this is happening to me on. I can add the template to other pages no problem, and I can make other changes to the tome's page no problem. Any idea as to what's going on? --Flargen 10:24, 6 January 2008 (CST)

• It probably has to do with certain words present on the page - it's a result of Coldfront using the ModSecurity "application firewall", which tries to prevent hacks by blindly looking for certain "exploity" sequences of characters. In this case, it didn't like the word "coalesce" because it's an SQL keyword; I've 'escaped' it, so you should be able to edit it now. --Quietust (t|c) 11:45, 6 January 2008 (CST)
  • I saw this here and thought I should also say something, the Comma Chameleon page is getting the same error message. --Chunky_boo 23:27, 16 January 2008 (CST)

Question about "immediate results only"

Thanks for your pirate mapper, but I question your revert on my edit on the pr0n legs article. From my point of view, if I have an item, I want to know all its potential uses. From the article pr0n chow mein, I can see I need pr0n legs to get there, so why shouldn't I be able to see that if I have pr0n legs, I can do better than manicotti? If this is a policy, where is it and what's the rationale? -- Polymath69 09:35, 31 December 2007 (CST)

• I wasn't the one who made that policy, but it's there for a good reason (and it can be found here - scroll up a bit) - without it, "uses" lists would be ridiculously long (see scrumptious reagent for an example of what we want to avoid), especially for base ingredients such as spices. Besides, in your case, you would have also seen pr0n stir-fry in the list of stuff to make, which could have then led you to pr0n chow mein. --Quietust (t|c) 10:47, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Categories from {{item}}/etc.

Hm... what about the other flags, like hardcore (though I think this is basically Mr. Store), undiscardable, untradeable, free pulls from Hagnk? Someone some time ago expressed interest in seeing a list of untradeable (don't remember the talk page at this point)--potentially useful for collectors, or maintaining Rare Items, I guess. A couple of people in the past have also said they wanted to see a list of one-time adventures (the more recent comment is in Discussion#Category: One Time Adventures), so perhaps modifying the pertinent adventure templates might be applauded (though populating them would be a pain). --Bagatelle 15:31, 24 December 2007 (CST)

• Free pulls would make a decent category. I'm also considering adding a new parameter to {{item}}, "custom=1", to easily denote custom items (and be able to mark them somehow in other template-based categories). --Quietust (t|c) 15:39, 24 December 2007 (CST)

EffectID

Well, this clever update seems to imply that the methodology for calling the effect pop-ups was changed for NS13. So presumably, it was easy to guess EffectIDs prior to that. Er, also, I think you want section 2 for your "add a comment" instruction--it's popping me into the Reply Notification section. --Bagatelle 17:02, 19 December 2007 (CST)

• Old effects were easy to guess because you could just fill in their numeric ID - since NS13, they use a big long hexadecimal string instead (similar to item description IDs, but worse). My question was how the hexadecimal effect description IDs were determined for effects which cannot possibly be acquired - the only way to actually get said description ID is to have the effect on you (that being the entire point behind adding said description IDs). As for the section number, my bad - I had moved Reply Notifications up to the very top for improved accessibility, but neglected to fix the section number for Comments. --Quietust (t|c) 18:19, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Organizing the sea spading and plinth saga

I was just thinking that the whole process of spading out the sea and the unlocking of the plinth would be deserving of its own page. For historical reasons if nothing else. Sort of like the pages detailing the history of the Penguin mafia, and other major story events that altered the Kingdom.

There are a few chunks of adventure text that El Vibrato got that still haven't been added to the wiki, in part because there's no particularly good place to put them and link them. It's also just an impressive sequence of massive group spading and cooperation amongst players that one might have suspected would be unwilling to cooperate in the appropriate fashion. It'd also unbloat the Virgin Booty talk page and give a better place to post any new developments.

I'd try to do this myself, but I'm not quite sure how to organize it all and format everything. What do you think? --Flargen 06:13, 16 December 2007 (CST)

Ah, someone took the initiative to clean up the Virgin Booty page while I was sleeping. Looks much better now and will probably suffice until further developments arise. --Flargen 16:40, 16 December 2007 (CST)

Crimbo

Hey, could you put crimbo on the front page please? --This unsigned post was made by Mar on 12:55, 15 December 2007

Pirate Map

Howdy! I'm very much enjoying watching you update your mapping script this evening; the graphic is really coming along nicely. I sent you a kmail in game to ask if you might be willing to expose the coordinates data you're collecting in a tab-limited text page as well? I'm creating a tracker separately, and being able to share data to/from yours seems to make the most sense. Let me know if you'd like to collaborate!--Gemelli 19:39, 5 December 2007 (CST)

• It's added. I also fixed a bug where updating an existing coordinate didn't actually work. --Quietust (t|c) 20:10, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Any chance we could put a link on the article page instead of just talk? A little more exposure might help the process.--Toffile 23:53, 5 December 2007 (CST)

• I'd have to clear it with the other wiki admins - besides, putting it in a more visible location may also serve to attract vandalism. --Quietust (t|c) 23:55, 5 December 2007 (CST)
  • That's what I figured. I was going to add it, but those thoughts crossed my mind, and I decided to ask instead.--Toffile 23:57, 5 December 2007 (CST)
• Just a thought regarding the visual readability of the chart. Perhaps switch the icons for checked and double-checked squares. As the map fills up, 24,000 little squares with a dot in them would be hell on the eyes. However, if the dot was only for single-checked squares, it would be both easier to look at afterwards, and easier to pick out un-confirmed squares. --TechSmurf 01:22, 6 December 2007 (CST)

I am trying to do the black squares on your map, but your submission form rejects my inputs "Invalid encounter specified!" for 5,39 -> which shows up as LOST Island. Also, that light blue is the destroyer of worlds (at least the one where my eyes live) --Plater (t|c) 18:05, 12 December 2007 (CST)

• Seconded on the color thing. Suggest that the water/key/chest colors be made into a dark blue, with everything else being brighter so they stand out better.--GoldS 18:09, 12 December 2007 (CST)
  • Fixed - when I updated the database to add additional flags for the special locations, I forgot to expand it to accept those inputs in the dropdown list. The colors should also be taken care of. --Quietust (t|c) 18:42, 12 December 2007 (CST)
  • That looks a lot better, thank you.--GoldS 18:50, 12 December 2007 (CST)

remote form submission

i've done a bit of seeking about in the elven seas, and i'd like to automate the upload of the results. i'm getting an error on the page, though: "Pay attention to the order in which you enter coordinates!" i've checked and rechecked them but i still can't see it. is this hopeless? would you like me to desist? would you be prepared to look over the submitted url? is there some other way of submitting ~60 results? --Evilkolbot 13:37, 8 December 2007 (CST)

• The "Pay attention" isn't a warning, just a static message I added because of all of the people adding stuff with the coordinates backwards. Any actual errors will be displayed in red. One special error will say "Your results conflict with others - are you absolutely certain?" and will add a checkbox to the page, but you shouldn't get that unless you enter the coordinates or result incorrectly (or someone else did before you). --Quietust (t|c) 14:20, 8 December 2007 (CST)
  • hmm. something else is going wrong, because i have lon=198&lat=77. does your script expect something else? here's my url: .../piratemap/?zoom=1&lat=198&lon=77&enc=6&com=. i've tried it via POST, too, but same problem. --Evilkolbot 14:28, 8 December 2007 (CST)
  • now i feel slow. is the data being entered into the db? --Evilkolbot 14:29, 8 December 2007 (CST)
    • You need to specify the SUBMIT button as well (i.e. &add_item=1), otherwise nothing will go in. --Quietust (t|c) 14:31, 8 December 2007 (CST)
      • cool, that did it. thanks. --Evilkolbot 16:10, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Huge user page

I am currently working on a table to map the 100x242 of the latitude/longitude puzzle in the new pirates cove and want to put it on my user page. Thing is, it'll be huge when I'm done. Would this be OK, or should I look for another method to do this map? --CheezyBob 02:11, 5 December 2007 (CST)

• From the discussion here, it looks like the coordinates are completely randomized, yielding different results each time even for the same player. Any effort to locate "special" coordinates would have to check each spot at least twice to ensure a unique drop (and then check at least 3-5 times to make entirely certain it doesn't change). I would advise creating a separate page underneath your userpage for this, such as User:CheezyBob/PirateMap. --Quietust (t|c) 08:12, 5 December 2007 (CST)
• The wiki had something like this before, but organized differently.. This because (my guess) it is difficult to know where you add in a huge table, and people make mistakes. So, if we take a look at Category:Azimuth Tables, we can see the way it was done. I think we should reconsider using this method. Ofcourse it depends if you want to use it just for yourself or for the whole community. --Mercantilia 08:41, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Bot Requests

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Item condensing

Would it be possible to condense the items that all have the same obtained from information (like each of the tiny plastic series) and convert it into the new standard? I'd compile a list of possible targets, if you'd like. (Probably tomorrow, as it's past midnight here) Thanks. -Toffile 04:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Actually one more thing, would it be possible to convert "Drop Location" to "Obtained From" on most pages? It'd probably eliminate a lot of pages that are in the right format as it is. Also kind of unsure why this was moved, I was hoping to make a bot request. (I'm going to fix up the halloween candy pages now).-Toffile 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Changing "Drop Location" to "Obtained From" is trivial - it'll take me about 10 minutes to assemble a script, then it'd just be a matter of putting together a list of pages to process (search for "Drop Location", then have the script itself check that the next line begins with a semicolon). As for moving your comment, it was because you added it immediately at the end of the page as a new section, which is what most people do when they intend to add a normal comment rather than a bot request - since you are effectively asking for my bot's services now, I've moved it to the appropriate spot. --Quietust (t|c) 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
    • My bot has finished updating all pages I could find where the "Drop Location" section contained data using the new format - any other pages with "Drop Location" are still using the old format and will need to be updated manually. --Quietust (t|c) 03:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
    • ...plus a few more which the bot didn't get the first time through (some due to Coldfront abruptly dying, and others from me forgetting to handle "Drop Locations" and also forgetting to include the relevant pages). --Quietust (t|c) 14:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Potion Update

User:Antoids has pointed out that the current sauceror potions and effects pages are inconsistent as to the presentation of the number of turns gained and why. would it be possible to change the template to accomodate the 5/10/15 turns and a note explaining how this is worked out? the reason why i've put this here is that whether you can change the tempate or not the pags concerned will need to be updated, and perhaps quietbot is the one to do it. --Evilkolbot 06:47, 22 May 2008 (CDT)

• Eheheh.. Yeah, sorry about just doing it like that. I didn't realize it would a big deal. But, yeah, the pages currently say "5-15 turns" on the items, and "5/10" on the effects, with no explanation. Neither of these is right, as there are only three turns in the 5-15 range that occur, and the other is leaving out a value. It's both slightly confusing and inconsistent. So yeah. (And next time, I'll find a Discussion page instead of immediately applying an edit with no confirmation. ^_^;;)--Antoids 20:19, 22 May 2008 (CDT)
  • Antoids: I feel I should tell you that editing other people's comments, even if only for capitalization or grammar, is forbidden on this wiki, so please don't ever do it again. Evilkolbot: as for resolving the issue of reagent potions, I could either add a special parameter to {{acquireEffect}} or, probably simpler, just make a separate template solely for acquiring effects where the effect duration varies - this would include not only reagent potions, but also Turtle Tamer, Sauceror, and Accordion Thief buffs (most likely using a parameter to indicate which explanation to link to). Further opinions are welcome. --Quietust (t|c) 21:45, 22 May 2008 (CDT)
    • I don't know how complete you want to make this, but the opera mask and jewel-eyed wizard hat affect durations of certain buffs as well, and this behaviour isn't noted in such a way that a newbie browsing the Wiki would be likely to come across it. There's also the Platinum Yendorian Express Card, which is more of a "global" sort of thing that might not be worth implementing in a template. --Bagatelle 22:21, 22 May 2008 (CDT)

Ocean

I was just noticing that pretty much all of the ocean results are lacking the Locations category. Would it be appropriate to (have QuietBot) add it to some or all of them? --Flargen 20:50, 25 January 2008 (CST)

• There's no need to use a bot for such a simple task - just edit the 15 pages and add the category tags to them manually. Using a bot should only be considered when there's at least a hundred pages to modify, preferably thousands (e.g. item/effect pages). Also, the Locations category is only appropriate for locations which contain adventures - the adventures themselves should just be categorized as Adventures. --Quietust (t|c) 21:07, 25 January 2008 (CST)
  • Didn't know the first, and somehow the obvious logic of the second escaped me. I'll pretend that's hilarious for all involved. --Flargen 21:08, 25 January 2008 (CST)

Per what is being discussed, would it be possible to have a bot find every monster/noncombat which drops a particular item? I was thinking it might be done by tracking the acquire template, as well as checking the category of the page it was used on. But I'm not very well versed on the limits/capabilities of wiki botting. --Starwed 14:51, 6 February 2008 (CST)

• So, any thoughts? --Starwed 03:49, 26 February 2008 (CST)
  • If it'd be restricted only to combat and noncombat adventures, I could probably manage something (though it might get confused by the fruit golems, which drop items as part of certain attack messages). I'll see what I can do. --Quietust (t|c) 09:00, 26 February 2008 (CST)
  • Script has been written and is currently running across all 1227 pages which use the acquire template. Output will be plain text, listing each item along with every page which drops it and indicating whether the page is another item (usually from an item consume message), a noncombat adventure, a combat adventure, or some other kind of page (mostly Quest pages). --Quietust (t|c) 10:57, 26 February 2008 (CST)
    • It's done running, and the results look fairly good. I've posted them here. Once the data is sufficiently cleaned up, we can decide what to do with it (possibly some mass edits by QuietBot). --Quietust (t|c) 11:45, 26 February 2008 (CST)
      • A couple of quick observations from just looking at the first few entries. One, I think we can ignore "from items" entries for this particular purpose (those are listed in the notes). Second, it's picking up on obsolete adventures without identifying them as such. Namely, spices coming from Zest!; and presumably others. And do we care if it's picking up, say, dough drops from a zombie yeast beast? --Flargen 11:58, 26 February 2008 (CST)
        • I didn't filter based on category tags (because those can be inconsistent, just on the templates present at the top of each page. If all obsolete adventures are categorized as such, it should be simple enough to manually filter them out of the data. --Quietust (t|c) 12:22, 26 February 2008 (CST)
          • Any chance on getting this moving again? --TechSmurf 20:47, 8 May 2008 (CDT)

Well earlier i was going to suggest using the bot to add the new meatpasteable link to a bunch of pages, but it appears as though the army has already done it. --Noinamg 22:11, 13 February 2008 (CST)