User talk:Flargen

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Next time you modify this, can you get Gift Items to autocategorise themselves as well? If you could get the DoD potions autocategorising as well that would be nice, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. And by "DoD potions" I mean "items that have a type of combat / usable; like the DoD and procrastination potions".--Ryo_Sangnoir 16:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

• Yeah, should be pretty easy to do the gift items. As long as the slash doesn't cause an issue for the wiki the bang potion types can be handled, as well. I might take a bit to do that, as next time I look at it I might try to think if there's any good way to make it more readable/compact, as well as a way to throw in an auto-cat parameter so it can be used on standards pages and such without categorizing the page. --Flargen 20:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

A Menacing Phantom

You said "no, not really, people do that all the time". Jick uses hyphenated "-o" for plays on breakfast cereals and snacks that end in "-O" and for plays on words that end in an "oh" syllable, like "ooze-o" for "orzo". What is your hypothesis, in the context of an ongoing Jar-Jar Binks gag, why Jick would hyphenated the item with a "-o" or do you think that "people do that all the time" for no reason at all? —BozoTheScary 14:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

• If I remember an old radio show right, it's because of the Metallica cover of "Whisky in the Jar" ("Whisky in the jar, ohhhh"). It was a running gag for a little while. --TechSmurf 14:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

That does sound like a better explanation. The hyphenation seems unnecessary in that case, but what the hell. Thanks. —BozoTheScary 13:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Did I miss something?

Getting a captcha every time I edit something claiming an external link. Was it because of the spambot earlier last week?--Toffile 14:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Uh...maybe, not sure. As an admin I get to bypass captchas. I haven't heard others complain. So maybe there's something weird going on, a la those ModSecurity issues that prevented us from using words like "coalesce" on pages we actually wanted to be able to edit. If no one else seems to be getting this issue, you could try asking Jinya. Or Quietust if you don't quite want to go straight to the biggest wig. Quietust seems to be pretty knowledgeable about the various technical specifications of the wiki. --Flargen 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't know about this particular issue, but I've edited on a few other wikis powered by MediaWiki which would present a CAPTCHA each time you added an external link. If you're getting it on every page, then there's probably something wrong, but you'd have to ask Jinya/Mag/Frostbyghte/whoever. --Quietust (t|c) 14:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Hm. It wasn't quite every page now that I double check, but it was popping up in weird places. (For example changing NeedsContent to NeedsSpading or creating a metadata page). I'll have to do some tests I suppose.--Toffile 15:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
      • Maybe it's your user name it's choking on. It sort of looks like "to file", so maybe that's...uh...not sure. But, yeah, something weird alright. --Flargen 15:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
        • Quickest test ever. Something's defeinitely up. See User:Toffile/Test. Something seems to be up with captchas and NeedsSpading.--Toffile 15:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
          • No idea what's up. There are no external links in either of those templates. --Flargen 15:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
            • I got the captchas on three consecutive edits to Outfit and that does not use the NeedsSpading template. It does use a bazillion Data: templates and these:
              1. {{!}}
              2. {{!!!}}
              3. {{Click}} (protected)
              4. {{Data1}} (protected)
              5. {{Element}}
              6. {{InlineItem}}
              7. {{Plural}} (protected)
              8. {{StackItem}}

              --Club (#66669) (Talk) 17:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

              • I bet it's {{click}}, since that works by inserting the full URL of an image into the page. --Quietust (t|c) 17:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
              • Click does trigger it: Click test page --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hardcore + Freeing the King = Soft-Perm Skills?

Hello, I saw you reverted my edit to Hardcore, but as far as I can tell, you really don't get your soft-permed skills back after smashing the prism. There's a short discussion about the same thing on the Talk page that says basically the same thing. Is there some technicality I'm forgetting about? I didn't understand the comment you made in your revert. -- Xerxes314 02:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

If I may try to avoid stepping on Flargen's toes...all those discussions are prior to announcement on April 2nd which made the skills available.--Toffile 02:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh! That's very interesting. Probably some text describing that should be on the page somewhere? -- Xerxes314 03:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Template Requests

Hey! I was talking with TechSmurf about this, and he recommended putting a bug in your ear just in case he didn't get it done himself.

I recently updated the Clover Adventures page to look much more like the Semi-Rare Adventures and Bad Moon pages, but I found need for a couple of template-related changes, and as I'm rather template-inept, I thought I'd ask for some help.

First, could StackItem be given a default value of "something" (with the question mark image), similar to the default for an empty Acquire?

Secondly, I'd like to put in a request for a "StackMeat" template similar to StackItem-- something very simple, with the meat image, and in small font below, "X Meat". It would be very helpful for tables such as the one on said page.

Thanks! --Southwest 01:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

1. What do you need a generic option for stack item for? It's just an image followed by an item name (unless something else is specified) with link, so there's no good context for default text. Acquire's comes from specific in-game text when fighting darkness.
2. As for the meat template, that wouldn't be hard (it could almost be done with StackItem as is, long as you gave Meat a data page; the shortcoming being the lack of an amount parameter). How would you feel about a "short" form of {{meat}} that just spit out something like " 1000 Meat" (on the same line)? --Flargen 22:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Slimeling

As a response to the message you sent me: I'm afraid I can't be more specific, for obvious reasons. However, I would appreciate it if you took my comment as a hint and not respond with snarkiness and hostility.--Ekeinos2 02:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Disgorging works like pickpocket, except with a different base drop rate applied. If you scrolled to the bottom of the page, you would know. Now, what's this obvious reason you can't be more specific? Are the multipliers wrong? Is it wrong to say it uses pickpocket-like mechanics? It's not so much that Flargen is being hostile; you haven't started any discussion refuting the data that exists on the Talk page and so there is nothing to substantiate your claim that something needs spading. What is this something? --CG1||| 03:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Stating that I lack common sense and can't scroll down is insulting. I am obviously well aware of the existence of the tables and the comments at the bottom, since I'm making comments on them. As it's obviously not appreciated, I will not make any more attempts to give you any hints. So, feel free to remove the "needs spading" tag again, and keep a page that not only ignores edits from dev team members, but also has raw data in the discussion that highly disagree with the predicted values from the formulae in the main page.--Ekeinos2 03:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
    • See, this is what Flargen and I were asking for; substantiation of evidence; if you said "the table assumes independence of pounds" earlier, this revert war wouldn't be happening. Now, what data in the discussion disagrees with the formulae on the page? Telling us "there is a problem" doesn't help us at all if we don't know what the problem is. Hinting that there is a problem also doesn't help much either. Also, grammatically, it would be "ignores edits from a dev team member" (it's singular, unless you happen to be two people). --CG1||| 03:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
    • If you think there is a flaw from the data in the talk page, especially one that "highly disagrees" with the predictions, then POINT IT OUT. You don't need to be a dev or not to see such a thing and comment on it. That and it would be fairly silly of me to assume "Ekeinos2 on wiki = Ekeinos in game". Or would you naturally believe that I am actually named "Flargen" in game? Put aside that I actually go to efforts to put in a disclaimer on my page about who I may not or may be. I know you don't want to be all abusive of secret dev knowledge, but if you can look at the data and point specifically at it and say "this doesn't seem to work right", then you would actually be doing something useful without violating some sacred dev sanctum. Heavens forbid you should stoop to that level. Once I know where this alleged flaw is, I will revisit the issue in my spading to see what I can find out. I'm just meat farming right now anyway, so it's not like I'd be particularly inconvenienced by doing more disgorging spading. --Flargen 04:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
      • And I see there are edits going on on the slimeling talk page, so hopefully this is just such the actually useful commentary we were looking for. But point being, you were a bit overly cautious of your super dev powers, and "I am dev" is not a particularly useful defense or argument for practical purposes --Flargen 04:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind...

I was taking a look at Familiar abilities and realized that it's essentially an orphan. Do you think we should just insert a wikilink into the "Abilities" title of Template:Familiar? I mean as it stands now, most people aren't probably going to find it. (I'd go ahead and do this, but I'd rather be safe than break such a widely used template)--Toffile 03:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm actually not so fond of the page myself. It's not very pretty-looking. I prefer Familiars by type. Still needs work, but the formatting's a little nicer and it's easier to parse and find what type of action you're looking for. It serves essentially the same function, as well. The Abilities page would need some substantial reworking to even make the table have a meaningful sort function, which is the minimum it would seem to need to be really be a worthwhile page. --Flargen 03:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Well I don't mind the Abilities page. It serves a similar but slightly different purpose to the Type page. While both let you look up a familiar's abilities, the Abilities page at least lets you take a look at all of its abilities at once, rather than one-by-one. I mean, if I wanted to look up Volleywhelps, I'd first have to check the Type page for all the Volleys, then cross-reference them with the Whelps. The matrix gives it a better reference. Both pages should probably be given a facelift though.--Toffile 03:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

User != Talk

• good call. many thanks, i blush. --Evilkolbot 21:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Familiar Metadata for the win

I suppose that was inevitable, especially since the "use item" for familiar hatchlings shows the adult familiar's image. I was thinking the familiar name itself should also be in the data page (as it is for pretty much everything else), but given that it only actually shows up on the familiar page itself, you were probably correct to leave it out. --Quietust (t|c) 21:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

• I wouldn't be opposed to the name; I just suddenly felt confused about what to call it, since there's a conflict (in my brain, at least) with the "default name" you get when hatching it. I wasn't entirely sure about the gender, either, since right now I think that's only relevant to the use item template. I just didn't feel like throwing in a second parameter to that template to deal with the matter. --Flargen 21:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Looks like JRSiebz just found a good reason to add the "name" field - it allows using {{StackItem}} and {{InlineItem}} directly with familiars. --Quietust (t|c) 13:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Jick braek teh tamplete!?

The new dolphin whistle is being listed as a spleen item due to {{item}}'s assumption that level requirements are for consumables... Jick needs to put another notch in his belt. --Bagatelle^T/_C 01:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

• Oh, nuts. That's something of a conundrum. How about a parameter to specify that it isn't a consumable, and without that specified at all (or appropriately) it'll just assume it's a spleen item? That should prevent us from needing to update every single spleen item page because of a single item (for now). --Flargen 01:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I reckon it doesn't much matter how it's fixed, since Jick will only break it again later. 'Cos he's a clubby griefing meanie. --Bagatelle^T/_C 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)