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I just encountered a "rock homunculus". I expect it is related to the Rock Snake.

You're fighting a rock homunculus


The ground trembles beneath you, and you begin to tremble in fear. Pretty soon, the fear leads to hate, and as a squat little man-shaped rock monster emerges from the ground, you direct your hate at him and steel yourself to deliver a little bit of suffering. You get the jump on him.

You work up a Lunging Thrust-Smack.

You spin your antique spear over your head all kung-fu style, then whack him with both ends, consecutively, doing 475 (+3) (+3) (+3) (+3) (+3) damage. CRITICAL HIT! SPLAT! SOCKO! POW! BAM! KERBLAM! WHAMMO! SPLAT! BOINK! SMACK! ZAP!

I also have a screenshot. Don't know how to post it though...

--Fettucine the Noodle 01:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


Just got it too, I tried to start a page for it (my first "proper" page ;)).

Unfortunately, I hit it pretty hard too (level 11, currently), so no idea about hit points, etc.: You indulge in a little hack 'n' slash with your obsidian dagger. The hacking doesn't seem to be very effective (and you really should see a doctor about that), but the slashing does 152 (+8) (+3) (+3) (+3) (+3) damage. WHACK! BOOF! SPLAT! BONK! SMACK! ZOT! WHACK! POW! BONK! KAPOW! --Obeliks 01:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

These definitely have more hit points than the Rock Snakes. It seems that the threat is escalating. The one I fought had exactly 43 hit points (I was using a turtle totem, with my flaming gravy fairy to help).--Jizzt Dofaggen 02:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, seems to be the same as with rock snakes, regarding location... I encountered my first at The Arid, Extra-Dry Desert --Obeliks 02:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The message on this page seems to indicate people think you might need magnet for this to appear? That's not the case, I got this to appear on my multi without the magnet equipped. --Cubsmaniac 02:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I encountered some homunculi without the magnet. Maybe TPTB are providing stronger creatures as time goes by and the magical earthquakes get stronger/weaker. --TheNachomancer 00:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Contents

pickpocket and miss message

You deftly slip your fingers into your opponent's pocket and grab something. floaty sand You acquire an item: floaty sand

He tries to hit you with a little rock fist, but you blow him away. To a man his size, your breath is like a hurricane.

also had exactly 40 hp --Godless heathen 02:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be 8-9 stat gains, for me at least.--Jcowley 11:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Drops?

Just defeated one, and got 2 floaty sand drops. --Grogum the Violent Activist 02:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Fought 6 homunculi for 11 floaty sands total. Running +180.87% item drops. 3/6: dropped 2 floaty sands, 2/6: dropped 1 floaty sand and pickpocketed 1 floaty sand, 1/6: dropped 0 and pickpocketed 1. --Greenrider 13:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I just killed one, but he didn't even dropped one little floaty sand! So i guess there's just a kinda big drop chance, but it isn't 100% dinders

Critical Hit message

I think the critical hit message is a reference to the wrestler "The Rock" —Preceding unsigned comment added by R00k (talkcontribs) on 20:24, 28 July 2009

frequency

it appears to occur approximately once every fifty turns. whereas the rock snakes (no longer available) appear roughly every thirty. Jotsund 03:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Rock Snakes are still available - I just ran into one. --Deus Ex Machina 05:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Likewise, I'm still meeting snakes and lacking homunculus. Rassin Frassin! --Denarius 06:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I get the homunculuses about every fifty turns (48 and 53 so far) at the Castle, but not getting any rock snakes. --Obeliks 13:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • It may be level based. You may not be able to get rock homunculi until a certain level. My 10th level sauceror got 2 homunculi yesterday. I don't remember any rock snakes, but I'm not sure. It may be a new kind of scaling. <10th level and you get rock snakes. >=10th level and you get a homunculus.--Jizzt Dofaggen 13:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • That isn't the case Jizzt. At level 16 my Sauceror just encountered a Rock Snake, and has yet to see a Homunculus.--Muhfin 14:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm level 19. In 113 adventures at Haunted bedroom I've seen 3 homunculi and zero snakes. I haven't ascended yet (want to get level 20 trophy), and when I started adventuring at haunted bedroom I was level 18. Hope I helped.--Chickumbleh 15:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice idea, but I'm level 21 (nearly 22). It might be that Homunculii don't appear in the Worm Wood or something though. I'm going to have to adventure elsewhere to test. --Denarius 14:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm level 8 and encountered the homonculus in the Goatlet.--MarbleMunkey 15:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


Just an idea, but it may depend on where you adventure. In the Haunted Pantry, an admittedly low level area, I encountered a rock snake, but then in the Dungeons of Doom, which are relatively higher, I got Rock Homunculi. --Muhfin 14:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

    • And I got a homunculus in the Haunted Library and a snake in the Dire Warren. The homunculi and snake zones may correspond to the ones on Turtle Taming.--Ryo_Sangnoir 17:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

So far I've only encountered homunculi while adventuring in the Haunted Gallery and The Middle Chamber, both high level areas. Aditionally, beating on a homunculus while wearing the dwarvish war uniform and a charged magnet doesn't seem to do anything special. Like rock snakes, homunculi can be captured with a Spooky Putty Sheet and you can also pointlessly use Transcendent Olfaction: correct skill use and effect message, but it doesn't seem to make them show up with greater frequency.--Noskilz 17:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm level 23 and, in Hobopolis Town Square, every 50 adventures or so, like everyone else, I've been seeing rock homunculi. I don't think it has anything to do with level, because when the earthquake first happened, I encountered rock snakes too. When the homunculi first showed up, though, the rock snakes stopped appearing. --Lycander 19:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I only saw homunculi today. Here's a theory: after fighting a certain number of snakes you start to get the homunculi and don't go back to snakes. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 20:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Dire Warren: Snake. Haunted Library: Homunculus. Dire Warren: Snake. Nope, I'm pretty sure it's location dependent.--Ryo_Sangnoir 21:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, but then, why didn't Jick implented both the snakes and humonculi at the same time? it doesn't makes any sense to make everyone encounter snakes first, and then make people encounter the humonculi just at some certain places... and the Announcements says the aftershoks are getting less frequent and more intensely, so it would make even more sense that all the snakes were replaced by humonculi.... --dinders

Actually it does make sense: snakes are very slow and weak, while a homunculus could give a low-level character a savage beating, which would probably be something most would prefer to pass on. Introducing the weakest monster everywhere lets players know something is up, and not dropping monsters without reference to the likely players in an area helps cut down on the unpleasantness (although people serious about hobopolis or the slime tube are likely to be pretty unhappy about any unscheduled interruptions.)--Noskilz 01:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Anybody stop to consider mabey that you fight a monster dependent on what the Base monster level of the area you are adventuring is....for example a low level area like the dire warren may yeild the snake, while a higher area like the lair of the ninja snowmen yeilds the homunculus.....for now at least untill another monster is released upon us. --theassasin

  • Actually yes, if you'd be so kind as to look slightly higher up in this very section, that was indeed suggested. --Muhfin 13:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Im not convinced it is every 50 adventures. I had adventured for 172 adventures and had got none at all. However, maby i was just very unlucky.--rawr 02:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

He is spooky-putty-able, if anyone is wondering.--Rotated8 30 July 2009

Anybody put into consideration that you cannot get him in ronin/hardcore? The whole time i was in ronin that the Rock homunculus were out(at least 400 adventures) i didnt get a single one. Within the first 10 adventures i was out of ronin i had got one.--rawr 16:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, becouse i still encounter rock humonculi at the battlefield while working on a HCO run. so it hasn't anything to do with hardcore, and it would suprise me to see ronin is different, through it is possible. dinders

Were you using a charged magnet? I never did and maby that affects it.--rawr 02:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Jick has explained the encounter mechanic in this post. --TimRem 03:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


I know, but he doesn't explains why rawr didn't encounter rockmonsters in ronin. and no, I wan't using a charged magnet. I don't even have one yet ;-) dinders

I can explain that. When i was in ronin i was fighting in mostly if not all lower level zones and as soon as i got out of ronin i remember going to the airship(a much higher level zone).--rawr 13:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Even more references

I don't know, but "For those about to get hit in the ankle by a tiny man made of rock (we salute you.)" sounds somewhat familiar. Yes, I still don't want to mess up the page by trying to edit it myself. Would somebody be so kind? --Ocoma 18:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Finally a reference I knew immediately, I think. It may be a reference to the old video game carmageddon (might have spelled that wrong) but anyway the intro had a guy saying you who are about to die we salute you....however i thin this was a reference yet another thing so guess it was not much help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theassasin (talkcontribs) on 12:51, 29 July 2009

The base reference is I believe to the Roman gladiator's salute "Those who are about to die salute you" at lest in popular culture. The above may be a closer source. I see this as a source of a source..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_Who_Are_About_to_Die_Salute_You an album released in 1969 by Fontana--MadonKody 23:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Statistics

Source Item Drop Bonus Encountered floaty sand x1 floaty sand x2
Flargen +219.8715%
(wh: 45)
45 21 18
+230.4404% 35 14 19
+229.1302% 26 12 11
+298.4404% 8 3 5
+269.1302% 14 5 8
+300% 47 12 32
+231% 12 4 7
Observed Rates
(error)
32.68%
(.837%)
4.299%
(.302%)

Added drop rate data. Note that at 300% there were instances of zero drops observed, forcing each sand to have a drop rate of strictly less than 25%. There are a handful of integer drop rate pairings that fit the observed data well, including 20% for each. The MLE ("best fit") is given by 22/19, but the statistical difference between that pair and 20/20 is pretty insignificant. So I've posted the drop rates as 20/20. --Flargen 07:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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